Conan and the Shadow of the sorcerer boxed set

Do you want the release of Conan and the shadow of the sorcerer boxed set?

  • Yes, immediately - I waited all this year for it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, probably

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I Don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0
I was posting to try and counter the misinterpretation of the poll results.

People could get the idea that Mongoose was either ignoring the fans or turning it's back on an obvious gold mine for some bizarre reason, neither seem to be true.

Strewth, I sound like some kinda Mongoose fan boy, just my take on this situation though.
 
I suspect Mongoose was far less interested in the Shadow of the Sorcerer boxed set once it missed any chance of being out for the holidays. Expensive RPG boxed sets are always a gamble, so publishers generally want to hit a Gen Con or holiday release. They need to strike while the iron is hot and get more Conan product out. I'm sure that the people that run Conan at Mongoose have a budget and can't sit on their hands earmarking funds to publish a campaign that is overdue.

The King said:
I don't think it is interesting to talk further with people who just put counter-arguments for nought as I just could rewrote my previous 3 posts on the subjects.
The argument is not for "nought." It is to point out that a small online poll on a forum dedicated to Conan, who is also the topic of the poll, will be skewed far more pro-Conan than the real sales numbers will be. The only one talking about superfluous things like UNO peacemakers and Arnold Schwarzenegger is you.
 
Hey there!

This'll probably be my last post on this forum - it's clear that I'll have to go the "serial numbers scraped off" route for this and will likely just self-publish it - I'll distribute info on other boards (like rpg.net or enworld) when this happens.

However, I wanted to address these comments and questions:

Strom said:
...Unless, the quality of the finished project was not up to the standards Mongoose set or did not fulfill the agreed upon criteria for the project. In other words, perhaps there was not a coherent plot that made sense and could progress the characters from 1st to 20th level as originally advertised. Add in the lateness due to health problems and the project had to be shelved. If that is the case then we will not get this project.

Also, there can be no doubt that this poll translates into dollars for Mongoose - I just do not think they have a campaign to sell us. I'm just grasping at straws here because I would love to buy it but I'm convinced the Goose don't want it for a reason other than it would not sell.
I'm obviously not the person to judge the quality, but:

- SotS follows the detailed outline I submitted, and that outline was approved by the former line developer who approved and developed most of the other books in the line prior to his dismissal.

- SotS was never intended to take characters from levels 1-20. The level range advertised was 1st through 7th or so.

- I suspect the real reason was simple dollars, not lateness. I've noticed that regardless of their quality, the two existing boxed sets have not moved from the three local game stores I've seen them in since they were first put on the shelves. I asked the guys behind the counter, and they said they were too expensive for most folks, and the sealed boxes were a sales turn-off (no ability to see stuff inside). Given that two days before the project was axed, Matthew Sprange was on rpg.net informally asking "Do folks want boxed sets?", it makes me wonder how committed they were to publishing further box sets.

- as noted, the project was sort of bungled from the get-go on Mongoose's end. It was announced and scheduled before the contract was signed, and before the plot was even in their hands. The initial announcement overestimated the campaign's size by almost 200%, and incorrectly named "The Nameless Isle" as one of the settings.

- the set price for SotS was too expensive, flat out. I was stunned when I saw that they had solicited it for $60. I suggested it become a single book, or a series of smaller adventures (three books of three), or even .pdfs, but they were uninterested in publishing the project they'd solicited.

- I have another suspicion that another reason is that I'm also the principal author of Deluxe Basic Roleplaying, Chaosium's new edition of their classic rules system. Since Mongoose is in the progress of developing a rules system for Mongoose that is admittedly extremely similar to the BRP system, there is bound to be some territoriality there.

- they'd have a publishable campaign if they wanted it. I've told them how much is left to do, and it's easily achievable in a short time by me, or even by another author.

- this isn't the first time Mongoose have given a Conan project the axe. Matthew promised a bestiary some time ago, but it is nowhere on the schedule, despite the immense positive reactions.

So, there you go.

Bye now! It's been fun.

- Jason
 
Rykion said:
The only one talking about superfluous things like UNO peacemakers and Arnold Schwarzenegger is you.
I am struck by the density of your comments. I understand there how UNO is superficial for some people, especially when the hosting country can't even pay its contribution because its debts are too superfluous.
You still can buy your shoes with one or two holes in them at Oly Shop. It takes 2 to tango.

You see that such people like you don't even need polls nor assistance. I am relieved and am looking forward to enjoying the show.
 
OK, Jason, thanks for the info.
I will for sure check on rpg.net/enworld for any forthcoming announcements from you.
As I've said before; I'd love to see your campaign in some form.
 
Jason Durall said:
...
I have another suspicion that another reason is that I'm also the principal author of Deluxe Basic Roleplaying, Chaosium's new edition of their classic rules system. Since Mongoose is in the progress of developing a rules system for Mongoose that is admittedly extremely similar to the BRP system, there is bound to be some territoriality there.

So, there you go.

Bye now! It's been fun.

- Jason
I hope then you can publish it as a BRPG or even a Stormbringer campaign.
 
The King said:
Jason Durall said:
...
I have another suspicion that another reason is that I'm also the principal author of Deluxe Basic Roleplaying, Chaosium's new edition of their classic rules system. Since Mongoose is in the progress of developing a rules system for Mongoose that is admittedly extremely similar to the BRP system, there is bound to be some territoriality there.

So, there you go.

Bye now! It's been fun.

- Jason
I hope then you can publish it as a BRPG or even a Stormbringer campaign.

Though OGL Barbarian would be a better fit.
 
Jason Durall said:
Hey there!

This'll probably be my last post on this forum - it's clear that I'll have to go the "serial numbers scraped off" route for this and will likely just self-publish it - I'll distribute info on other boards (like rpg.net or enworld) when this happens.

However, I wanted to address these comments and questions:

Strom said:
...Unless, the quality of the finished project was not up to the standards Mongoose set or did not fulfill the agreed upon criteria for the project. In other words, perhaps there was not a coherent plot that made sense and could progress the characters from 1st to 20th level as originally advertised. Add in the lateness due to health problems and the project had to be shelved. If that is the case then we will not get this project.

Also, there can be no doubt that this poll translates into dollars for Mongoose - I just do not think they have a campaign to sell us. I'm just grasping at straws here because I would love to buy it but I'm convinced the Goose don't want it for a reason other than it would not sell.
I'm obviously not the person to judge the quality, but:

- SotS follows the detailed outline I submitted, and that outline was approved by the former line developer who approved and developed most of the other books in the line prior to his dismissal.

- SotS was never intended to take characters from levels 1-20. The level range advertised was 1st through 7th or so.

- I suspect the real reason was simple dollars, not lateness. I've noticed that regardless of their quality, the two existing boxed sets have not moved from the three local game stores I've seen them in since they were first put on the shelves. I asked the guys behind the counter, and they said they were too expensive for most folks, and the sealed boxes were a sales turn-off (no ability to see stuff inside). Given that two days before the project was axed, Matthew Sprange was on rpg.net informally asking "Do folks want boxed sets?", it makes me wonder how committed they were to publishing further box sets.

- as noted, the project was sort of bungled from the get-go on Mongoose's end. It was announced and scheduled before the contract was signed, and before the plot was even in their hands. The initial announcement overestimated the campaign's size by almost 200%, and incorrectly named "The Nameless Isle" as one of the settings.

- the set price for SotS was too expensive, flat out. I was stunned when I saw that they had solicited it for $60. I suggested it become a single book, or a series of smaller adventures (three books of three), or even .pdfs, but they were uninterested in publishing the project they'd solicited.

- I have another suspicion that another reason is that I'm also the principal author of Deluxe Basic Roleplaying, Chaosium's new edition of their classic rules system. Since Mongoose is in the progress of developing a rules system for Mongoose that is admittedly extremely similar to the BRP system, there is bound to be some territoriality there.

- they'd have a publishable campaign if they wanted it. I've told them how much is left to do, and it's easily achievable in a short time by me, or even by another author.

- this isn't the first time Mongoose have given a Conan project the axe. Matthew promised a bestiary some time ago, but it is nowhere on the schedule, despite the immense positive reactions.

So, there you go.

Bye now! It's been fun.

- Jason

Thanks for the post Jason and the information. It's apparent that the box set is the key issue and the biggest reason this will not happen. Please let us know if you do get it published. Hope you are feeling better. The Shadow of the Sorcerer has just left the building, IMO.

Damns the luck! :evil:
 
Just finished reading Tales of the Black Kingdoms. If SotS is as good as TotBK, I'd buy it no matter the format and price tag.
 
Jason,

Very disappointing news from Mongoose. I wil certainly pick it up for my Conan: HeroQuest campaign and look foward to playing it.

Best wishes
 
BTW, should anyone learn about this project of Jason being published elsewhere, say on drivethrurpg, please let some information there.
 
Hi everybody !
I am posting from France, please excuse my english
(not because I am in France, because I am French :wink: )

Just a little word about this topic. IMHO for it should be a very good think to have a big campagne for CONAN. because almost all big RPG have a big campagne.
Of course not all 87% of the guys who purchased CONAN will purchase the Campagne, but such a entousiast pool result show that at least 50-60% of the people who purchase CONAN books should purchase it.(IMHO)

And yes I think it is more easy to sell 3 individual book than a big 60$ box


good luck anyway, you are doing a great job on the subject !

Pierre
 
Jason Durall said:
...will likely just self-publish it - I'll distribute info on other boards (like rpg.net or enworld) when this happens...

Jason,
It is very difficult to find posts on those boards (rpg.net has searching disabled and I can't find any search features on enworld.) So Someone please post links to Jason's info here when it's available!

-MC
 
Call me the eternal optimist but I just have a hunch this isn't quite dead as a conan release yet.

No I don't have any insider info to back that claim up.
 
I have not had time to read this whole thread, but the only product I have purchased from Mongoose is Parania. I have the old TSR Conan came by Cook. I came to this forum late because I did not know it existed, and because I am not a fan of the d20 system.

My point is that not everyone that plays Conan posts to this forum. This does not mean Conan fans would not buy a campaign about Conan. I may not because converting it to my system of rules may not work, although the background material may work, I don't know. Back to my point; Tons of players would no doubt buy this product, particularly given the amount of players that own the d20 set of rules. The need to collect is hardwired into our genetic code (I think), just a matter of the wherewithal to get it.
 
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Mayhap the poll is working! Mayhap the Shadow of the Sorcerer will rise from the editors desk!

Where's The King anyway? :lol:
 
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