Another, how do these rules apply question... Low pop, high tech

[Vormaerin]

Darrians explain how they crossed the Great Rift?

 

[Condottiere]

I was thinking about Atlantis.

Would be funnier the other way round, since it could make them a colony, say Athens.

 

[Vormaerin]

Didn't mean to post just that..

I know that somehow Terrans arrived among the Darrians in -1520. But they apparently skipped the entire Marches? And the Reaches were more than 500 years prior to the contact with the Darrians. Sword Worlders arrived -399, but also seem to have skipped the rest of the Marches, so presumably they didn't go via Corridor.

I know it tosses out some stuff about sleeper ships and high risk stuff, but it's weird to me that the Reaches got settled so much earlier and more heavily that the Marches.

The main rift crossing is the J5 route, which is in Aslan space. I think it would have been noteworthy if the Solomani found the Aslan rift crossing before the Aslan did. And if all these worlds got settled by the deep space jumping across the rift within a century or so of the Rule of Man starting (remember Sindal formed after decades of raider problems between the various colony worlds), then maybe deep space jumping isn't as risky as we think...

Or a really, really large number of Terrans fired themselves off in these deep space missions.

 

[Condottiere]

Maybe there's a jetstream, that speeds up travel?

And I only mention that, because I believe Companion hints at space abnormalities.

 

[Vormaerin]

And then everyone forgot about it?

Or maybe like in Willow it "went away"?

 

[Condottiere]

Most likely because no rules, nor examples.

Weapon systems listed there were mostly unusable.

 

[Sigtrygg]

If you want to know details always check the CT source:

The Solomani merchant corporation ltzin (originally based in Turkey, later based on Dingir in the Solomani Rim) saw the continuing collapse of interstellar trade, and its owners decided to emigrate en masse to a new world. A select list of employees and their families was presented with an opportunity to leave with the company. Preparations were made: a fleet of transport starships was assembled; supplies, maps, charts, and equipment were crated and stored.
In -1520, the ltzin Fleet of 35 transports and 10 armed escorts set out from Dingir toward the Great Rift. Their journey was an adventure in itself. The fleet travelled through Rule of Man territory to Vland, depending on written letters of transit and free passage when they were honored and on the armed might of its escorts when they were not. After calling at Vland in -1516 they ventured into the unknown, unsettled, and unexplored territory of Corridor, Deneb, and the Spinward Marches. In -1513, the fleet stopped temporarily at what is now Sacnoth and from there mounted a fast survey of the sector. After finding several potential world sites, the ltzin Fleet command selected Darrian as its new home.

They didn't cross the Great Rift.

 

[Vormaerin]

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I guess. I was actually talking about the history of the Reaches referencing the Great Rift Crossing. There's no CT explanation for that since it was the creation of Third Imperium magazine. That settlement was accomplished more than 500 years before the Itzin Fleet set out and involved sufficient worlds that they could squabble and raid each other enough to trigger the formation of a defensive alliance that became the Sindal Empire by -2000.

I do find it interesting that that the Itzin fleet found nothing worth settling in Corridor, Deneb, or most of the Marches and ended up on Darrian. And presumably someone duplicated that to form the Sword Worlds a thousand years later, since the Marches were practically unsettled when the 3I arrived and started exploring the region. That's what I meant by skipped the Marches.

I suppose the Reaches colonists could have blazed the trail that the Itzin fleet followed and just skipped through three sectors before deciding the Reaches were a good place.

 

[Jame Rowe]

Remember, Darrian hit TL16 prior to -924, starting with local TL3 and Solomani TL12 in -1500 . The 'theory' is that the Solomani, who after all took only a couple of centuries to hit TL12, surpassing thousands of years of Vilani 'progress', are much less tradition-bound and willing to take the 'risks' of progressing quickly. Add in some Darrian brains, and we're talking about not only bring that whole society up to TL16, but four TLs past Rule of Man technology in less than 600 years. So for Sindal to hit rise from ~TL12 to TL15 in a similar timeframe isn't unreasonable in Charted Space canon.

I agree with this. And the only reason, IMO, that the region doesn't have widespread TL15 in 1105 3I is because the Sindalisns were tyrants who figured that blasting rebels was better than negotiating with them.

 

[tytalan]

Drinax is TL-14, has no resources and no infrastructure, as published. Unless this is incorrect, it can't mean what you say it means without having to change the published TL. Correct? Or am I misunderstanding? It is also Class-A, but has no shipyard. lol.

Drinax TL is based on old data and leftover artifacts. The palace and its supports are TL15 but the planet itself is barely TL 4. Its l8ke Darrian which in CT aliens book 6 is stated at only TL 13 but has artifacts of TL16 left over pre Star trigger. Both listed as higher TLs than they can currently support because at one time they did have those TL and still have some trappings of the higher TL but can’t produce it anymore. Many of the Sindalian worlds are listed as higher TL and better Space Ports than they actually have thanks to the damage done by the various wars. One of the things people tend to forget is that the UWP is based on a certain timeframe (the first or second imperial survey) and can have changed. Such as the Aslan’s bombing Drinax into a waste land or the Star Trigger frying all of the Darrian’s Technology on the mother world and its colonies.

 

[Vormaerin]

I guess I'm not a big fan of the "only the Solomani (and Hivers?) can do science" theory. But it is a pretty commonplace one in Charted Space. Every single spot of unusual science advancement is the Solomani. Sindal, Daryen, Neumann, Vincennes.

*shrugs*

 

[Jame Rowe]

I guess I'm not a big fan of the "only the Solomani (and Hivers?) can do science" theory. But it is a pretty commonplace one in Charted Space. Every single spot of unusual science advancement is the Solomani. Sindal, Daryen, Neumann, Vincennes.

*shrugs*

Not true! Daryens did it almost on their own.
And, AFA I'm concerned, the Sindalians had a bunch of Vilani and non Solomani in their population.

 

[Sigtrygg]

No, the Darrians did not do it on their own.

Consider what the Itzin took with them from Earth.
TL10 minimum with knowledge of up to TL12, but then we have to consider the secret knowledge that was stored in Vilani tech vaults that the Terrans gained access to - either through espionage during the ISW or after when they took over.
The Terrans were not afraid to advance to TL12, the Vilani were so scared of TL12 they stagnated their culture at TL11 despite knowing of higher TL worlds (or alternatively something happened behind the scenes - but that is a different conspiracy theory of mine).

The synergy between the fresh Darrian culture and the strongly driven, more engineering-and-technology-oriented culture of
the Solomani was explosive. It took only a short time to go from the Solomani tech level 10 to 16. It took even less time for the Darrians to go from their own tech level 3 to the wholesale adoption of Solomani theories and engineering

The Darrians were gifted TL10 so went form 3 to 10 very quickly, but only thanks to the transfer of knowledge from the Itzin. It then was the cultural synthesis that rapidly went from 10 to 16.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I guess. I was actually talking about the history of the Reaches referencing the Great Rift Crossing. There's no CT explanation for that since it was the creation of Third Imperium magazine. That settlement was accomplished more than 500 years before the Itzin Fleet set out and involved sufficient worlds that they could squabble and raid each other enough to trigger the formation of a defensive alliance that became the Sindal Empire by -2000.

I do find it interesting that that the Itzin fleet found nothing worth settling in Corridor, Deneb, or most of the Marches and ended up on Darrian. And presumably someone duplicated that to form the Sword Worlds a thousand years later, since the Marches were practically unsettled when the 3I arrived and started exploring the region. That's what I meant by skipped the Marches.

I suppose the Reaches colonists could have blazed the trail that the Itzin fleet followed and just skipped through three sectors before deciding the Reaches were a good place.

Maybe Corridor and Deneb Sectors were not far enough away from the Vilani for their tastes. No idea.

 

[Condottiere]

They were hounded out.

 

[Jame Rowe]

No, the Darrians did not do it on their own.

Consider what the Itzin took with them from Earth.
TL10 minimum with knowledge of up to TL12, but then we have to consider the secret knowledge that was stored in Vilani tech vaults that the Terrans gained access to - either through espionage during the ISW or after when they took over.
The Terrans were not afraid to advance to TL12, the Vilani were so scared of TL12 they stagnated their culture at TL11 despite knowing of higher TL worlds (or alternatively something happened behind the scenes - but that is a different conspiracy theory of mine).


The Darrians were gifted TL10 so went form 3 to 10 very quickly, but only thanks to the transfer of knowledge from the Itzin. It then was the cultural synthesis that rapidly went from 10 to 16.

Which the Darrians participated in. Seems that little factor of being a lot more of them was pretty important.