Or one bed, and another that folds down from the wall?
(I would presume most have the two beds in bunk form).
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(I would presume most have the two beds in bunk form).
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
pretty much what I've always assumed
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
It matters for the life support calculation if nothing else, and when building ships via spreadsheet, we can’t leave the expenses nebulous.
What you are saying saying here is that double occupancy should be assumed. Thank you for that.
Does this apply for leaders (officers), captains, pilots, and astrogators? I usually give them single staterooms because officers. Everyone else gets a double.
If that or something like it is your baseline assumption, we need to hear it (here for now but spelled out in the next High Guard update for sure) so we don’t have to read tea leaves. Please.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
So, in other words, there is no such thing as a "Single Occupancy Stateroom". All Staterooms default to double occupancy unless otherwise stated since all Staterooms have 2 beds?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Staterooms are scalable.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
This would be true if they just said that a Standard Stateroom was 2 tons per person, but that isn't what they do. So, not scalable.
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
I don't get it, the difference between a Dual Occupancy and Single Occupancy Stateroom is the Life support costs, the tonnage and cost of the stateroom is the same. literally the ONLY difference it makes is in life support costs. Maybe the only difference between a Single Occupancy and a Dual Occupancy Stateroom is Singles have the second bed as a fold out one or something.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
And I can agree with that for the military, but on a civilian liner, there will be two beds that are the same. Still minor, but we needed to hear what the default is. Now we know it is double, though I’d like clarification on officers/leaders, pilots, and astrogators being in doubles or singles.
Geir
Emperor Mongoose
You people are all talking TL8- staterooms. Who's to say the stateroom isn't a blank box of memory metamaterial that confirms to the occupant's requirements, morphing furniture out of the wall as needed and turning the beds into a coffee table and chairs during the day.
Now, take that to the fresher and hope it doesn't have a glitch while operating... or for that matter, hope the bed doesn't fold up and turn into a torture device while you're sleeping on it... hey, now I have some ideas...
Now, take that to the fresher and hope it doesn't have a glitch while operating... or for that matter, hope the bed doesn't fold up and turn into a torture device while you're sleeping on it... hey, now I have some ideas...
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
Depends on what the author does, there isn't a set standard. Typically the captain at least gets their own stateroom though.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
And the fact that each author might be different is a reason to have a definitive statement in the rules laying out the general practice.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
"Standard passenger comfort demands a certain level of amenity in the stateroom. In order to meet this standard, staterooms are self-contained living areas which need never be left during a voyage. The stateroom contains a bed, a fresher, entertainment consoles, and miscellaneous furniture. All basic items in the stateroom collapse into the floor, wall, or ceiling, when not in use.
Functions supported by the stateroom can be divided into four basic categories: eating, sleeping, sanitary necessities, leisure, and possession storage.
Sleeping is supported by the standard size bed which folds from the wall at command.
Grav plates can be adjusted to provide a range from 0.0 to 1.5 G for personal comfort.
Meals may be taken on a collapsible table and storeable chair.
The stateroom is large enough for four persons to eat around the table comfortably. Meals themselves must be delivered from the passenger lounge; there is no automated delivery system. A small refrigerator stores snacks and small quantities of food for immediate availability.
Sanitary necessities are handled by the fresher, which includes a multi-function shower, a toilet, a sink, and a small washer/dryer (for the benefit of middle passengers). All components fold unobtrusively out of the way when not in use.
Leisure activities are a necessary part of stateroom life. They relieve the boredom of the long jump voyage by providing entertainment, research facilities, and computer access. The wide range of entertainment activities includes holographic theatrical productions, video shows, interactive drama, and audio programming.
There are also games (played against the main computer, or against other passengers). The computer terminal also allows access (on a restricted basis) to the main computer for data processing, word processing, and library data inquiries.
Storage of personal necessities is handled by several collapsible compartments and cabinets. Passengers can store up to 100 kilograms of baggage in their staterooms; high passengers may store an additional 900 kilograms in the cargo compartment (access to any needed items requires the assistance of the crew)."
Functions supported by the stateroom can be divided into four basic categories: eating, sleeping, sanitary necessities, leisure, and possession storage.
Sleeping is supported by the standard size bed which folds from the wall at command.
Grav plates can be adjusted to provide a range from 0.0 to 1.5 G for personal comfort.
Meals may be taken on a collapsible table and storeable chair.
The stateroom is large enough for four persons to eat around the table comfortably. Meals themselves must be delivered from the passenger lounge; there is no automated delivery system. A small refrigerator stores snacks and small quantities of food for immediate availability.
Sanitary necessities are handled by the fresher, which includes a multi-function shower, a toilet, a sink, and a small washer/dryer (for the benefit of middle passengers). All components fold unobtrusively out of the way when not in use.
Leisure activities are a necessary part of stateroom life. They relieve the boredom of the long jump voyage by providing entertainment, research facilities, and computer access. The wide range of entertainment activities includes holographic theatrical productions, video shows, interactive drama, and audio programming.
There are also games (played against the main computer, or against other passengers). The computer terminal also allows access (on a restricted basis) to the main computer for data processing, word processing, and library data inquiries.
Storage of personal necessities is handled by several collapsible compartments and cabinets. Passengers can store up to 100 kilograms of baggage in their staterooms; high passengers may store an additional 900 kilograms in the cargo compartment (access to any needed items requires the assistance of the crew)."
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Staterooms tend to be connect to two things:
1. Freshers
2. Life Support
You can install any number of freshers.
Life Support is the uncertainty element, because it's never been clearly explained, and superficially, doesn't make sense.
Staterooms are scalable along a multi axle matrix: volume, features, luxury, power, environment, life support.
There two aspects that aren't even addressed, at what stage do humans start to asphyxiate, and why cockpits have a twenty four hour supply, since I sort of suspect that that's not enough volume for sufficient oxygen for one person.
1. Freshers
2. Life Support
You can install any number of freshers.
Life Support is the uncertainty element, because it's never been clearly explained, and superficially, doesn't make sense.
Staterooms are scalable along a multi axle matrix: volume, features, luxury, power, environment, life support.
There two aspects that aren't even addressed, at what stage do humans start to asphyxiate, and why cockpits have a twenty four hour supply, since I sort of suspect that that's not enough volume for sufficient oxygen for one person.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I’m not finding that in the core rules or high guard. Is this from a different edition? *looks at @Sigtrygg*
I’d be happy if the Mongoose rules said this, but I don’t think they do.
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
There is no rule that I'm aware of requiring anyone be in a single occupancy stateroom, so it's Ships Architect's choice
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
That’s kind of the point. There is not default so one can’t assume it is double. That’s why a default is needed.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Doesn't the life support cost change if you add more people to a stateroom? Each stateroom has its cost, then a cost per person on top of that. Correct?
Currently, there is no way to know by looking at the ship's statblock if the staterooms are single-occupied or double-occupied without having to go and do the math yourselves.
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
not the way I look at it, The single occupancy stateroom is nothing but an administrative out to make it easier to figure out Life Support costs the room itself is unchanged if there is one resident or two. so in the case of if your officers get single berths or have to double up, it's more or less up to the captain.
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
but the life support is based on the souls on board, as well as number of staterooms, Every stateroom cost Cr.1000 per maint period if it has 1, 2 or even 0 people in it. Additional to that, every person on board costs Cr.1000 per maint period as well. a single occupant stateroom doesn't include the occupant in life support cost for the stateroom, it's an additional cost for 1 or 2 separate additional costs if there are 2.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Exactly.
