Foreven Sector

[captainjack23]

If that happened with Greyhawk, then that makes two cases I know of where 'blank lands' were designated and then published regardless - the same thing happened with the RuneQuest setting, Glorantha. Here's hoping that the same thing doesn't happen to Foreven - third time's the charm, as they say! :wink:

well, it's worked so far for traveller & Foreven -mostly.

The original "GM's preserve" idea must have been put forth not too long after traveller came out. And the lack of any official publications in the area suggests it mostly was followed.

 

[EDG]

If that happened with Greyhawk, then that makes two cases I know of where 'blank lands' were designated and then published regardless - the same thing happened with the RuneQuest setting, Glorantha. Here's hoping that the same thing doesn't happen to Foreven - third time's the charm, as they say! :wink:

In a way though, this is arguably exactly what's happening now. Previously almost nothing* canonical was published in Foreven. But now by opening it up to actual publication, those "blank lands" can get filled in (not by official sources, true, but they're still being filled in by some form of published material nonetheless).


*: Actually, previously it seems that the only things in canon about Foreven were the two systems mentioned in the Chamax double adventures (Alenzar and Raschev, in hexes 3228 and 3229 of the Reidain subsector of Foreven) . And the subsector names on the trailing edge of Foreven (shown on the subsector maps in the SM books) - Massina (Foreven D), Fessor (Foreven H), Reidain (Foreven L), and Urnian (Foreven P)

 

[Deniable]

I'm assuming the new policy will take care of the existing canon. The five published UWPs weren't as big a problem as the sector map being largely covered by three governments. One was the Zhodani, but the other two were named but not detailed. Given that Matt's indicated that even the location of Foreven is changeable, I don't think existing canon will be a problem.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Alenzar and Raschev, in hexes 3228 and 3229 of the Reidain subsector of Foreven

Where did you find the hex locations for those two system, EDG? They're not in Double Adventure 5: Horde/The Chamax Plague. For those that are interested:

There are four worlds mentioned in the canon source:

Raschev (C8697C4-6) is located in Reidan subsector of Foreven sector, just outside the Darrian subsector of the Spinward Marches.

Raschev is a fairly large world, measuring 13,000 km in diameter with a standard atmosphere and water covering 90% of the world surface. The planet is a largely agricultural world with extensive farmlands and a major fishing industry. The climate is quite Earthlike, but the inhabited areas are concentrated in the southern temperate zone on a single subtropical continent; the weather here tends to be rather more moderate than usual for Earthlike planets, with temperatures usually ranging around 10 to 25 degrees Celsius.

Raschev was first settled by colonists from the lmperium about two centuries ago. It remains a comparative backwater, and off-world ships rarely land, with the exception of a packet from Garoo every 3 months. As a result, there is a general attitude of respect, even awe, for off-world technology; the people are inclined to look up to off-worlders in general and Imperials in particular.

Alenzar (C000414-9) is a colony built into the largest of a swarm of asteroids in a very close orbit around an old red star. It is also located in Reidan subsector of Foreven sector.

Chamax (X654000-0) is located within the Alenzar system.

Uniqua is a world one parsec (Jump-1) away from the Alenzar system. No UWP is given for this world.

Garoo is also a world one parsec (Jump-1) away from the Alenzar system. No UWP is given for this world.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Essentially then (according to the canon references) Alenzar+Chamax, Garoo and Uniqua are in a small J-1 cluster of worlds.

Note that some sources on the 'net have previously categorically stated that some of these worlds are one parsec away from Darrian (in the SM) subsector border with Foreven sector. In fact, the actual text in the canon sources state that

Reidan subsector, [is] just outside the Darrian subsector of the Spinward Marches

(my emphasis) i.e. no actual jump distance is given.

[edit:]Just ignore me. I clearly have absolutely *no idea* what I am talking about here :shock: :lol: [/edit]

 

[Deniable]

The locations given in Imperial Lines 1 are:
Alenzar: 3229
Raschev: 3230
Avalar:1636
Zdovesil: 1212
Hollis: 2523

 

[District268]

I've had a quick look at my copy of Imperial Lines 1 and in addition to the mentioned UWP's, it includes a map of the Sector showing world locations as well as the boarders of the Zhodani Consulate.

Two other powers are shown, the Mnemosyne Principality and the Avalar Consulate. The latter of which is allied with the Zhodani.

Also included are the names of all the subsectors.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Also included are the names of all the subsectors.

Do tell?

 

[District268]

If your interested Gruffy

Shiva, Lieber, Shial, Massina
Pieplow, Anika, Mowbrey, Fessor
Lassana, Titan, Xenough, Reidan
Rull, Harem, Piah, Urnian

Hope this helps.

 

[EDG]

Alenzar and Raschev, in hexes 3228 and 3229 of the Reidain subsector of Foreven

Where did you find the hex locations for those two system, EDG? They're not in Double Adventure 5: Horde/The Chamax Plague.

Not explicitly, mein freund, but one can figure them out . If you look at the descriptions of Alenzar and Raschev, it tells you that they are one parsec away from Uniqua and Garoo (the latter two are located in the first column of Darrian subsector of the SM). From that you can figure out where they are in Foreven.

 

[EDG]

I have no idea what "Imperiallines" magazine is - it's not shown on the Traveller Bibliography.

Though I found this on the zho.berka.com site:

http://zho.berka.com/data/CLASSIC/menu.pl?planY=SectorYYYGeneralYYYInformation&sector=FOREVEN&menufile=FOREVEN/GEN/SECTOR

The information presented here is taken from Imperiallines #1, a
short-lived newsletter from GDW. In this issue, it was stated that
Marc Miller had officially ruled that Foreven would be left forever
undeveloped, to serve as a "referee's private reserve". All previously
published information was collected together and "set in stone" in
Imperiallines #1, as was the non-development edict.

This idea has been preserved in Foreven Sector for Galactic. Only the
information presented in Imperiallines #1 is included here - the
locations of planets, the names and UWPs for five important planets in
the sector, and the bounds of the interstellar polities have been coded
into Galactic. Names and UWPs for the remainder of the worlds have
been omitted or replaced by question marks.

Imperiallines #1 stated that the character of Foreven was much like
that of the Spinward Marches, the sector immediately to trailing. It
is a sector where Imperial and Zhodani interests vie with each other,
and come into conflict, though usually in the form of tensions between
their respective proxies. It is also in an area that is a "natural"
for the expansion of both.

 

[Deniable]

Berka's got it right. The quote in Imperial Lines 1 states:

First, we look at Foreven Sector. You probably think of it as the sector to the left of The Spinward Marches. A year or so ago, Mike Mikesh sat down with Marc Miller and they came upon the idea of setting aside Foreven as the referee's private reserve. As such, this is the only information that will be published on the sector. Note that it does include what little has been previously published but leaves most of the details up to the user4. We hope that you'll enjoy the freedom!

It assigns full UWP lines and hex locations to the five systems I've already mentioned as well as providing a sector map without other system details but with the borders of the three major governments shown. Various .sec files available for Foreven (including those on Berka's site) start with this data and expand on it, but are obviously not canon.

DonM's sector information also indicates that 'Continuum ' and 'Imperial Staple' detailed some of the subsectors but I wouldn't consider these canon. (Even finding them could be an interesting exercise.)

 

[EDG]

So I wonder what this means for new publications of Foreven - would they have to include those canonical systems?

Or have the Chamax now been swept away and decanonised? (I'm sure that would go down well among the old guard...)

 

[Emperor Herdan]

Hmmm I am so torn between adding to the thread or trying to shut it down

(as its the sector I'm going to be running in my Screen Monkey Traveller game..Wednesday nights 630PM pacific time starting date and password TBA.)

Anyway, I guess I'll add...

Yes the Zhodani base info is really good, and having an open area right next to the SM sector can mean having the best of both worlds. One can transpose any other planets data/adventure onto the existing maps by just substituting Planet B name for Adventure Planet A name. (Okay you all know its more than just that, but you get the idea). Likewise the players can go back and forth between the two sectors without a huge time lag.

If some of your players are "people of experience" aka old grognards, throwing them a few curves is a good thing. Sometimes a little knowledge is a bad thing... "Wait a sec... isn't that where the plague was?" "Hmmm you have no idea" "Yes, yes I do..." "No, no you don't.... maybe you just have a "bad feeling about this.. Kid..." (smiles evily)"

Ahh well One thing I wouldn't mind (if possible) would be a mapped Trailing sector near the K'Kree / Hiver / Imperial area. Theres lots of possibilities with those three.

Take care all

E. Herdan

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

It assigns full UWP lines and hex locations to the five systems I've already mentioned

Any chance you can do the full monty and post those system UWPs here?

as well as providing a sector map without other system details but with the borders of the three major governments shown.

Let me get this absolutely, crystal clear so that I understand: does the Foreven sector map show any other system locations, other than the five systems mentioned? Or is the whole nmap blank, apart from the 5 systems mentioned and the borders of the various states in the sector?

 

[Deniable]

It assigns full UWP lines and hex locations to the five systems I've already mentioned

Any chance you can do the full monty and post those system UWPs here?

Some of the sec files in the Missouri Archive [1] had the correct data, so no problem.

Alenzar       3229 C000414-9    As Ni              513 Cs G0V
Raschev       3230 C8697C4-6                       123 Cs M9V
AVALAR        1636 A75599C-C  J Hi Cp              904 Ac M0V   
Zdovesil      1212 A65588A-9  Z Cp                 103 Zh M9V M1D
Hollis        2523 A370642-C  A De Ni           A  303 Cs M3V

Let me get this absolutely, crystal clear so that I understand: does the Foreven sector map show any other system locations, other than the five systems mentioned? Or is the whole nmap blank, apart from the 5 systems mentioned and the borders of the various states in the sector?

It's essentially a dot map. It shows that there is something in the hex, but has no other details. It does this for all of the hexes. From expanded versions of the data it's about 400 systems.

[1] Maybe not, I might have grabbed Foreven from Berka.

 

[EDG]

It's essentially a dot map. It shows that there is something in the hex, but has no other details. It does this for all of the hexes. From expanded versions of the data it's about 400 systems.

Well that's something vaguely canonical if it was published by GDW. So again I have to wonder if this will all be decanonised now.

 

[Deniable]

Well, as I said earlier, Matt mentioned that someone could move the sector to another part of the map or relocate races or whatever. It sounds like they're fencing off the sector and allowing anyone to do (mostly?) what they like with it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are TLL like restrictions (slavery, drugs, sex...) but otherwise the major control will be the market. I could see someone doing well with a nudge and wink version of Foreven on the 3I / Sollie border or trailing in Hiver and K'Kree space.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

It assigns full UWP lines and hex locations to the five systems I've already mentioned

Any chance you can do the full monty and post those system UWPs here?

Some of the sec files in the Missouri Archive [1] had the correct data, so no problem.

Alenzar       3229 C000414-9    As Ni              513 Cs G0V
Raschev       3230 C8697C4-6                       123 Cs M9V
AVALAR        1636 A75599C-C  J Hi Cp              904 Ac M0V   
Zdovesil      1212 A65588A-9  Z Cp                 103 Zh M9V M1D
Hollis        2523 A370642-C  A De Ni           A  303 Cs M3V

Thank you for those, they're most useful

Let me get this absolutely, crystal clear so that I understand: does the Foreven sector map show any other system locations, other than the five systems mentioned? Or is the whole nmap blank, apart from the 5 systems mentioned and the borders of the various states in the sector?

It's essentially a dot map. It shows that there is something in the hex, but has no other details. It does this for all of the hexes. From expanded versions of the data it's about 400 systems.

[1] Maybe not, I might have grabbed Foreven from Berka.

Thanks - that adds a lot of clarity. So the Foreven sector dot map has even *less* information in it than say, any of the maps in Atlas of the Imperium?

 

[Deniable]

Correct, a hex number and an asterisk for an occupied hex. The borders indicate ownership of the hexes though.