Fedayeen and Suppression

[Hiromoon]

Do a search for a video where an insurgent sneaks up to a Bradley and drops something infront of it, then sneaks off.

The resulting explosion probably didn't destroy the Bradley, as I haven't heard of anything on my end.

 

[The Old Soldier]

I.E.D Improvised Explosive Device. Usually a large exposive shell, that can be set off by a remote device. (such as a cell phone) 8)

LOL!!! BTW: No coke bottle or small explosive with destroy modern armor!!!!!

 

[Hiromoon]

Actually an IED can be any form of explosive device that's improvised. Sticky bombs would be an example, Old Soldier.

 

[Mr Evil]

best way to take out most american armoured vehicles is to pull the red handles on the side flooding the inside with fire retardent and suffocating the crew inside.

 

[The Old Soldier]

Do a search for a video where an insurgent sneaks up to a Bradley and drops something infront of it, then sneaks off.

The resulting explosion probably didn't destroy the Bradley, as I haven't heard of anything on my end.

Again my point is being made. Smaller explosives at best will damage a vehicle or maybe harm a member of the crew. But, take out a tank!! Not a chance! :lol: Instead if you want to represent smaller explosives against armor, maybe it should at best stop movement, and or suppress the vehicle. ( breaking the no suppression rule).

 

[Hiromoon]

*sighs....*

You CAN take out a tank with a hand held explosive device, Old Soldier.

 

[cordas]

I.E.D Improvised Explosive Device. Usually a large exposive shell, that can be set off by a remote device. (such as a cell phone) 8)

LOL!!! BTW: No coke bottle or small explosive with destroy modern armor!!!!!

I am sure I remember a news item over here showing a burnt out Ahbrams in Bagdad, and the report saying that it was the 2nd or 3rd that month all of which had been destroyed by pouring petrol into the engine, maybe need a larger amount that you get in a coke bottle admitedly, but the theroy is correct, set the engine on fire and the tank is in trouble, and as the engine needs air to work it needs air intakes.......

 

[The Old Soldier]

*sighs....*

You CAN take out a tank with a hand held explosive device, Old Soldier.

Any modern day examples of such a thing taking place? Or are we having WW2 flashbacks from John Wayne movies? :wink:


Really I have never heard of such a thing. It maybe possible, but from what I know, what happens is a vehicle gets immobile or damaged, and after it is stuck in, then the problems start for the crew. Sticky bombs tend to destroy tracks, and damage motors in placed correctly, but very risky and very rare.

 

[Outkast_Samurai]

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jdw/jdw030620_1_n.shtml
This is about as close to the Ahbrams showing weaknesses.

 

[Hiromoon]

I wonder how come I can actually use historical sources and they immediately get dismissed as "John Wayne" movies?


Example of non IED Anti Tank device:

Ruchnaya Kumulyativnaya Granata, a Russian anti-tank hand grenade.

And here's a little bit from the "John Wayne" site known as GlobalSecurity.org. An example if you will.

Package-Type Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs)
Concealed Mortar/Artillery Projectiles

The enemy in Iraq has used IEDs consisting of mortar and artillery projectiles as the explosive device. The most common explosives used are military munitions, usually 122 mm or greater mortar/tank/artillery.

The use and characteristics of these have included the following:

* Thrown from overpasses.
* Thrown in front of approaching vehicles from roadside.
* Usually thrown by males—who are not always adults.
* Emplaced in potholes (covered with dirt).
* Emplaced along MSRs and alternate supply routes (targeting vehicles).
* Employed along unimproved roads (targeting patrols).
* Employed with 120-mm and larger artillery or mortar projectiles.
* Found alone or in groups.
* IEDs behind which are placed cinder blocks or piles of sand to direct blast into the kill zone.
* Command detonated—either by wire or remote device.
* Time-delay triggered IEDs. IEDs that can be detonated by cordless phone from a car (allows for mobile firing platform and prevents tracing or triangulation).

And...just to give you evidence...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quG-jBDOOQA
(Tag: Terrorist video claiming the destruction of a Bradley IFV... Should be taken with a grain of salt...)

While not a tank, it is just an example of what can happen. (Course, I have no idea how he slipped that close to a bradley that doesn't seem to be occupied)

Edit: Upon review, honestly, this guy would have been seen by the driver at least once..... it's really just comical.

 

[docrailgun]

Can we wait and play with the unit before we decide it's "broken"?

 

[Hiromoon]

That'd make sense, would't it?

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Not much chance of that, then...

 

[The Old Soldier]

Hummm, like a big old large grenade. Still can't see a unit lugging a bunch of them around during a battle.

BTW: I'm not stating the fedayeen is broken, only unbelievable. As for the fuel on the engine thing and such, where the hell was the infantry support, or did this happen to a immoble tank?

I'm always doubtfull of stick grenade and such as mention in the Russian weapons. I still remember back in the late 70s early 80s about the superior Russian flak jackets. We got a hold of one, and found out it was compressed wet cotton vac formed in a plastic packs and then sewn in!! :lol:

 

[Mr Evil]

We got a hold of one, and found out it was compressed wet cotton vac formed in a plastic packs and then sewn in!! :lol:

wich is fine against nato rounds

also those jackets were more designed for cold weather, ie the wet cotton, it freezes and as many know ice is a killer to the kenetic energy of a round.

 

[Hiromoon]

And now that my Government's gotten me flagged for doing IED searches...


High velocity rounds do amazing things..

 

[The Old Soldier]

And now that my Government's gotten me flagged for doing IED searches...


High velocity rounds do amazing things..

:lol: :lol:

FYI: just remember my sarcasm is all in fun in my previous post. :roll:

Still not lovin the Fedayeen with capes that can blow up tall tanks in a single bound. :lol: I'll just make my own. BTW: What's with the PLA armored transport not being able to react with it's machinegun? Is it because it is linked to the 25mm gun or something?

:shock: DUCKS!! :wink:

 

[Captain_Nemo]

I think this has been put up before but it's worth revisiting.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

Oh and Evil? Pay close attention to the article about the Frozen Cotton Towel...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm

 

[DM]

I still remember back in the late 70s early 80s about the superior Russian flak jackets. We got a hold of one, and found out it was compressed wet cotton vac formed in a plastic packs and then sewn in!!

At least they had them, which was more than many NATO soldier had (or even have now)!

I'm naturally sceptical of reports that make the other isde look like 10 foot tall monsters, but then I'm just as sceptical about reports that conform to the "cardboard tank" syndrome. My experience suggests that in general the material that comes out of the FSU (although not necessarily all of the exported kit) is on a par with what you'd get elsewhere. Some of it is much better, some of itis much worse, but generlaly it is functional and efficient. In many cases the way it works is just different to the way one might expect, and that results in a misunderstanding by an inexprienced analyst. I've seen it time and again in naval equipment, for example in one classic case where a particular ship was villified for its apparently daft weapon and decoy arrangement, but when considered against the operating profile of the ship it made frighteningly good sense - unfortunately the threat up until the time that little nugget dawnd on people had been completely overlooked because of the "look, its daft" view that had been promulgated. Fortunately we never had to face that particular craft in action, as the results based on the original doctrine to counter it would have been extremely painful!

 

[Shadow4ce]

I think this has been put up before but it's worth revisiting.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

Oh and Evil? Pay close attention to the article about the Frozen Cotton Towel...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm

Might have to stage my own test of this one, except I'll use non-metal-jacketed ball ammo (lead point only). If you look at the close-up pictures it shows the ammo used on the target stand and it is FMJ which is more likely to retain shape and penetrate hardened surfaces than lead-ball which will tend to flatten out when hitting hard surfaces. Personally, without having tried this, I still think it will punch through the towell, just not as far or as ballistically straight (which in the long run may be even more damaging from tumbling and flattening out which makes a bigger damage surface).

Oh, and I personally believe the Bradley in the video was disabled and unoccupied. Can't prove it of course, but neither can the other side prove it was. If it was, then their Operational Security is horrid and perhaps removing them from the gene pool is warranted.