Fedayeen and Suppression

[emperorpenguin]

But I won't make this arguement as I have no idea what the Fedayeen religious dogma is.

I'm not sure anyone does! :wink:

What about the D-Day landings?

There was a hell of a lot of cover, behind which allied troops were pinned for hours in some cases. I think some people are mistakenly assuming that machine gun fire is non-stop and battlefield pervasive!

 

[Hiromoon]

There was a hell of a lot of cover, behind which allied troops were pinned for hours in some cases. I think some people are mistakenly assuming that machine gun fire is non-stop and battlefield pervasive!

Tell that to the troops that didn't make use of that supposedly ample cover, EP.

And obviously someone keeps forgetting that they just don't stick one machine gun up there.

 

[emperorpenguin]

As long as its paintball I am up for it

This is just a game, and the fed's being immune to suppression is just a rule that shows how fantical they are and what that allows them to do, without this rule it would be next too impossible for them to charge tanks / APCs and attack them with IEDs.

ah how I miss paintball!

If they were flanking they'd not be suppressed

 

[emperorpenguin]

There was a hell of a lot of cover, behind which allied troops were pinned for hours in some cases. I think some people are mistakenly assuming that machine gun fire is non-stop and battlefield pervasive!

Tell that to the troops that didn't make use of that supposedly ample cover, EP.

And obviously someone keeps forgetting that they just don't stick one machine gun up there.

Plenty of troops get killed moving from cover to cover Hiro but that still doesn't rewrite the basic rules of self-preservation to say that immunity to suppression is a fact because of D-Day :wink:

 

[cordas]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

 

[Hiromoon]

True, but technically ignoring good examples doesn't re-write the fact that there are examples out there.

 

[Shadow4ce]

But I won't make this arguement as I have no idea what the Fedayeen religious dogma is.

I'm not sure anyone does! :wink:

QFT (Quoted for Truth)

What about the D-Day landings?

There was a hell of a lot of cover, behind which allied troops were pinned for hours in some cases. I think some people are mistakenly assuming that machine gun fire is non-stop and battlefield pervasive!

In some places, but when the ramps on those boats dropped... I grew up in Hawaii and running through surf wearing nothing but shorts is a workout. Throw in 50-60 lbs of gear, heavy boots, and Jerry shootin' MG 42's at you and I don't know how any of them made it to cover! :?

 

[emperorpenguin]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

:shock: paintballing isn't mindless!

 

[Shadow4ce]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

Worse yet, nobody is buying pizza and drinks afterwards!

 

[cordas]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

:shock: paintballing isn't mindless!

Then you ain't doing it right :wink: :lol: 8) :twisted:

 

[emperorpenguin]

In some places, but when the ramps on those boats dropped... I grew up in Hawaii and running through surf wearing nothing but shorts is a workout. Throw in 50-60 lbs of gear, heavy boots, and Jerry shootin' MG 42's at you and I don't know how any of them made it to cover! :?

I know I'm completely in awe of those guys. Even just watching the opening of SPR makes you wonder how the hell they did it.

 

[cordas]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

Worse yet, nobody is buying pizza and drinks afterwards!

Has curry on the hob, and beer in my cuboard so is happy

 

[emperorpenguin]

I love these selective reading post wars..... They are so mindless, sort of like paintballing with out the mud, pain and adrenaline rushes.

:shock: paintballing isn't mindless!

Then you ain't doing it right :wink: :lol: 8) :twisted:

I'm not doing it at all!

 

[cordas]

In some places, but when the ramps on those boats dropped... I grew up in Hawaii and running through surf wearing nothing but shorts is a workout. Throw in 50-60 lbs of gear, heavy boots, and Jerry shootin' MG 42's at you and I don't know how any of them made it to cover! :?

I know I'm completely in awe of those guys. Even just watching the opening of SPR makes you wonder how the hell they did it.

Possibly because they where immune to suppression at that particlular time.... Being stuck in a tin can that is open to the enemey MGs could be enough of a motivator to ignore the incoming fire and move.... Towards the gunfire as well......

 

[cordas]

:shock: paintballing isn't mindless!

Then you ain't doing it right :wink: :lol: 8) :twisted:

I'm not doing it at all!

Neither am I any more since my body fell to bits on me :evil: not even running around muddy hillsides hitting people with rubber weapons either :shock: :?

 

[emperorpenguin]

In some places, but when the ramps on those boats dropped... I grew up in Hawaii and running through surf wearing nothing but shorts is a workout. Throw in 50-60 lbs of gear, heavy boots, and Jerry shootin' MG 42's at you and I don't know how any of them made it to cover! :?

I know I'm completely in awe of those guys. Even just watching the opening of SPR makes you wonder how the hell they did it.

Possibly because they where immune to suppression at that particlular time.... Being stuck in a tin can that is open to the enemey MGs could be enough of a motivator to ignore the incoming fire and move.... Towards the gunfire as well......

Actually you'll find there weren't enough machine guns to fire at every landing craft. If there had been it'd have been a slaughter.

 

[emperorpenguin]

Neither am I any more since my body fell to bits on me :evil: not even running around muddy hillsides hitting people with rubber weapons either :shock: :?

my body literally fell to bits! no I'm not a leper!

 

[Shadow4ce]

... the suppression rules in BF evo are very abstract. Just becsause a unit is immune to the supression rule in the game (doesnt lose its next action etc) is not to say the unit is ACTUALLY fearless and imune to real life supression merely that they are capable of taking normal combat actions (or at least functioning better than other similar troops) while supressed.

The paintball references reminded me of something I overheard a buddy of mine tell a kid at a paintball field back in 1992. We were recently back from the big sandbox and the kid asked us, "Is paintball anywhere close to the real thing?" To which my buddy Mark replied, "They are totally different except for one thing... The moment the first shot is fired every plan ever made is thrown out the window and it's every man for himself!" We then had a good laugh, but the kid wouldn't be put off. He said, "No way, I heard you guys were SEALs or somesuch." I took over the conversation and said something like, "Kid, it's true. The only difference is how quick Operators recover from this and get back to missioning the plan."

Put this conversation into the perspective Locutus has. The Fedayeen duck just like everyone else. It is just their zealous nature to immediately recover and press on to the goal the second firing slackens or they realize they are not dead yet.

There, did I win a prize for resolving this? With everyone else's help of course! 8)

 

[emperorpenguin]

Put this conversation into the perspective Locutus has. The Fedayeen duck just like everyone else. It is just their zealous nature to immediately recover and press on to the goal the second firing slackens or they realize they are not dead yet.

There, did I win a prize for resolving this? With everyone else's help of course! 8)

Yes you win ......

the Fedayeen Duck! :lol:

 

[The Old Soldier]

Don't get me started. I fought communist insurgents, who had a very keen sense that thier struggle was just. That said,


Don't equate those fools that blow themselves up with the Fedayeen. I have never seen a full group of people run in the open to blow themselves up. Suicide bombers are in many cases just brain dead people that have nothing better to do. In many cases they are told their families will be taken care of and live a better life than presently. Something that conforts the bomber.

Fedayeen are more in the line of extremely down for the struggle. But, they are not suicidal. Hell, today's combat is all about suppression!!! You get in a firefight, and the point is to win the struggle for suppression. Doing so then enables you to manuveur for the kill.

Like I said, I know it is a game mechanic, so I can live with it. (After all it is just a game)., but don't attempt to justify the game machanic with the real world, it just makes you look silly. :roll: