Who is the most Broken
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Right Hand of God
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Has to be the Vorlons and Shadows for me, totally castrated in SFoS 
Attually, I thought the vorlons were pretty good. well until I realised they realy don't any tricks up thier sleeve. oh and you cant concentrate firepower.
Seriously they have nothing even remotely interesting to them, balance aside they just don't DO anything execept: Close and lose, hyperpace, and still lose
to put it in perspective, average damage is no better than any other fleet, armour is decidedly worse and even with reactive armour they just keel over. In the fluff they supposedly just run around blasting with ignoring lesser races firepower.
I simply dont think the damage rules are right for them.
as for the weapons, well thier a little hit and miss, but a vorlon heavy crusier has a total of 10 attack dice, with no posiblitity of re-rolls
a warlock has more firepower in every case, and range as well, is faster, tougher (armor 6 and 70 vs 100 at 5, even with reactive armour its still a dam sight softer) it may not have as many triple and precise weapons but
I know which one I could rely on.
At least shadow ships have speed.
for reference, vorlons soak damage vs normal ship badly example
A random 6 dice super ap attack will deal a armour 6 ship an average of around 3 damage, a vorlon ship (armour 5) will take 7 damage, most hull 6 normal ships have around 70 hits, where as a vorlon ship has 100.
thats a high price to pay for crit effect immunity. typically a vorlon ship taking a crit takes around 9-10 damage, a normal ship can take anything from a crew to big dice rolls.
Basically vorlons (and even worse shadows) consistantly take high amounts of damage, and they simply dont have enough hits to soak it.
anyway, sorry rant over
Seriously they have nothing even remotely interesting to them, balance aside they just don't DO anything execept: Close and lose, hyperpace, and still lose
to put it in perspective, average damage is no better than any other fleet, armour is decidedly worse and even with reactive armour they just keel over. In the fluff they supposedly just run around blasting with ignoring lesser races firepower.
I simply dont think the damage rules are right for them.
as for the weapons, well thier a little hit and miss, but a vorlon heavy crusier has a total of 10 attack dice, with no posiblitity of re-rolls
a warlock has more firepower in every case, and range as well, is faster, tougher (armor 6 and 70 vs 100 at 5, even with reactive armour its still a dam sight softer) it may not have as many triple and precise weapons but
I know which one I could rely on.
At least shadow ships have speed.
for reference, vorlons soak damage vs normal ship badly example
A random 6 dice super ap attack will deal a armour 6 ship an average of around 3 damage, a vorlon ship (armour 5) will take 7 damage, most hull 6 normal ships have around 70 hits, where as a vorlon ship has 100.
thats a high price to pay for crit effect immunity. typically a vorlon ship taking a crit takes around 9-10 damage, a normal ship can take anything from a crew to big dice rolls.
Basically vorlons (and even worse shadows) consistantly take high amounts of damage, and they simply dont have enough hits to soak it.
anyway, sorry rant over
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
vorlons and shadows first, then minbari, then EA
it'd have been easier to run a who's not broken poll!
it'd have been easier to run a who's not broken poll!
Pauly_D
Mongoose
atm i would say that EA are fine, to get them just right you need to take a lot of risks as a player and escorts are your friend, the problem with a lot of EA players is they like too many big ships e.g. Warlocks, Omegas and so dont have enough points left for escorts and so lose badly with initiative sinks
Minbari, ok they are a little too powerful and some ships (Veshatan) need to lose a little Damage and Crew but mostly its just bad luck or a damn good opponent
Centauri, they are definately fine, they have a lot of advantages but are also weighed back by disadvantages
Narns, ok they have a lot of Boresights but have some good non-boresight weapons (G'Lan) and go for some initiative sinks instead pick up a few Sho'Kovs instead
League, they are fine as they are, but maybe its a bit harsh on the Abbai
ISA, they are definately fine now, 3+ dodge just rules
Shadows/Vorlons, hmm see the "Shadows-Ideas to improve their balance in the game" thread for my answer on that one", they are definately the most broken
Minbari, ok they are a little too powerful and some ships (Veshatan) need to lose a little Damage and Crew but mostly its just bad luck or a damn good opponent
Centauri, they are definately fine, they have a lot of advantages but are also weighed back by disadvantages
Narns, ok they have a lot of Boresights but have some good non-boresight weapons (G'Lan) and go for some initiative sinks instead pick up a few Sho'Kovs instead
League, they are fine as they are, but maybe its a bit harsh on the Abbai
ISA, they are definately fine now, 3+ dodge just rules
Shadows/Vorlons, hmm see the "Shadows-Ideas to improve their balance in the game" thread for my answer on that one", they are definately the most broken
Yeah, but at this point they play little actual roll in a game except for looking cool while dogfighting each other...Hmm...maybe you could use them to keep another ship from moving since you're not supposed to move through other bases...Besides all one has to do is carry a nuke to take out a cap ship...Pauly_D said:
EA. While I was tempted to say 1st ones, The Ea fleet (in my opinion) has too many limiting fastors to be a "power" fleet/race. Now, I understand that Earth is the "new kid on the block", but when you take 5 battle points and get messed up so bad that all your ships are gone at the end of round 3 against Minbari or Centauri and you did only minor damage...something is wrong! Interceptors are too limiting. Good but totally ineffecting against beam, turns totally suck for ships. Don't get me wrong, I love EA, but when you can't win at all...why play them. Loosing is good for ones character, but only to a point. Then it just gets annoying. but hey, there is my 2 cents worth.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Silvereye said:
Same for the ISA.
I have not played enough fleets to vote, but I will say that the ISA are much less nerfed by E-mines with the SFOS changes inplace, and as Pauly_D said, 3+ dodge rules.
LBH
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