Sulfurdown
Mongoose
Is there going to be a corrected PDF or print version of the Rules book and Fleet book forthcoming?
Typos, Errors etc. in 2nd Ed ActA
- Thread starter Agis
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Court Jester said:Reaverman said:So you go to the shops, and you have a £20. You ask the sales assistant, to break it down into one £10, one £5, and five £1 coins. You then change your mind, and change two £1 coins into two £2 coins
However for this example to actually explain the the rule you would have to ask the sales assisstant to split the £20 note into the same denomination... so four £5 notes. And then you ask for two of them to be changed changed into a £10 note.
As far as I can tell the current rules are just a cleaner way of using the PL system and allowing a varience of PL splits. Who care whether you trade-up or down...
Still confused :shock:
so you don't get any £10 notes just £5 notes eh? Really need to see all the splits down on paper to work my head round it.
didn't it used to be spit £20 down into 2 £10 notes and then 1 £10 into 2 £5 Notes and so on? Isn't that what you just siad happens now but by going up? Or am i still being stooopid
Right Hand of God
Mongoose
There is a list in the first few pages of the fleet book. Seems clear enough and you can break doen one half of your split into the next PL below and carry on going. It only gets confusing when going back up again and exchanging 2 of your lower PL ships for 1 ship of the PL above. Seems daft to split and then exchange for no loss or gain , why bother in the first place. But as the list on what you can get for your Armageddon, War and Battle point is qute comprehensive it should be simple enough to see what you are getting.
Court Jester
Mongoose
Points are no longer split down like that.
Say I am playing a 5 point Battle.
For my first FAP I decided to purchase 8 Patrol Ships. I then take 2 of them and trade them up for 1 skirmish ship.
current count - 6 Patrol 1 Skirmish
For my next point I buy 4 Skirmish ships and trade in 2 of them for a raid ship.
current count - 6 Patrol 3 Skirmish 1 Raid
My next point is spent on 2 raid ships.
current count - 6 Patrol 3 Skirmish 3 Raid
My fourth point is spent on 8 Patrol ships, 4 of which I trade up into 2 skirmish ships.
current count - 10 Patrol 5 Skirmish 3 Raid
My final point is spent on a Battle level ship...
final count - 10 Patrol 5 Skirmish 3 Raid 1 Battle
Does that make any more sense?
It may well have the same final effect as splitting down points but is much easier to understand and use.
Say I am playing a 5 point Battle.
For my first FAP I decided to purchase 8 Patrol Ships. I then take 2 of them and trade them up for 1 skirmish ship.
current count - 6 Patrol 1 Skirmish
For my next point I buy 4 Skirmish ships and trade in 2 of them for a raid ship.
current count - 6 Patrol 3 Skirmish 1 Raid
My next point is spent on 2 raid ships.
current count - 6 Patrol 3 Skirmish 3 Raid
My fourth point is spent on 8 Patrol ships, 4 of which I trade up into 2 skirmish ships.
current count - 10 Patrol 5 Skirmish 3 Raid
My final point is spent on a Battle level ship...
final count - 10 Patrol 5 Skirmish 3 Raid 1 Battle
Does that make any more sense?
It may well have the same final effect as splitting down points but is much easier to understand and use.
Court Jester
Mongoose
Right Hand of God said:
Because you cannot split down like that any more.
I am totally confused
According to the very useful table (thank the Great Maker) I can get exactly the same ships as you igniring the wierd buy up thing:
1 Battle point gets me 1 Battle ship
2 battle point gets me 2 raid
3 battle point gets me 1 raid, 1 skirmish and 2 patrol
4 battle point gets me 4 skirmish
5 battle point gets 8 patrol
= 1 battle, 3 raid, 5 skirmish, 10 Patrol = so same as you but no buy up thing - so what is the point in the rule? :? :? :? :?
According to the very useful table (thank the Great Maker) I can get exactly the same ships as you igniring the wierd buy up thing:
1 Battle point gets me 1 Battle ship
2 battle point gets me 2 raid
3 battle point gets me 1 raid, 1 skirmish and 2 patrol
4 battle point gets me 4 skirmish
5 battle point gets 8 patrol
= 1 battle, 3 raid, 5 skirmish, 10 Patrol = so same as you but no buy up thing - so what is the point in the rule? :? :? :? :?
sidewinder
Mongoose
As far as things that are wrong with the book. I've had mine less the 24 hours and the pages in the rule book have fallen out. I'm gonna take it back to the store where I bought it but now I'm worried it will happen again. The fleet book seems to be much higher quality, why didnt they make the rule book with the same type of paper?
Right Hand of God
Mongoose
Court Jetser why can't you split down like that anymore? Matt said the table in the fleet book is the one to use and that is what the table says
Court Jester
Mongoose
Right Hand of God said:
Because that is not what the actual text in the fleet book says. The rules for FAP's mention nothing about splitting individual points down and only mention trading up. It is the summery box that is wrong.
Court Jester
Mongoose
Da Boss said:
Because as it stands there are NO rules in the fleet book for splitting points any more. The way you buy a fleet now has changed. It might allow you to end up with the same configuration of ships but the rule is different.
And all I am saying is I find this new route easier to work with than the old one.
Look... this is the text from the fleet book...
Nothing about splitting points down... nothing at all.
I find this new rule a much cleaner way of picking a fleet... thats all.
People need to stop assuming things haven't changed and read the rules (when they arrive :wink: ).
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Court Jester said:
The table of the Fleet Allocation point Breakdowns (page 3), is based on splitting down, not combining up though.
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
Guess MGP should really, really, really, clear that up finally, and give out a definite ruling on FAPs. I don´t really bother whether to split down or to combine up, it´s just that people will ask me about it once I got my books and started demoing again, and then I would pretty much like to know what to tell them.
So, I think we do need a definite answer, a downloadable pdf (because not everyone can always search through the forums for the latest ideas on this), and a correction to the books. Not just a "yes" or "no", really, a complete update on this. Please?
So, I think we do need a definite answer, a downloadable pdf (because not everyone can always search through the forums for the latest ideas on this), and a correction to the books. Not just a "yes" or "no", really, a complete update on this. Please?
Court Jester
Mongoose
Greg Smith said:
Yes, but I would rather go with the actual rule written on page 3 instead of the "summary". And right now the Summary is wrong because it does not summerize the rule.
The summary might show off possible splits but it does not mention how you split points. So how on earth would average joe who has never played with previous editions meant to know you can split a point into two and then one of them into two (as it is in Arm.) and so on. So if mongoose intended 2nd ed to use points splits as well as trade ups they did a useless job of writing the splitting down rules (by not actually writing them anywhere).
The summary cannot be counted as the rules because of the very fact it explains nothing.
What the heck is the point in all this anyway? Why couldn't you just allocate a points value to each ship (or failing that the priority level!).
e.g. Ancient(320)= 64
'Geddon(160)= 32
War(80)= 16
Battle(40)= 8
Raid(20)= 4
Skirm(10)= 2
Pat(5)= 1
No flow charts or weird force division, just very simple maths! :wink:
Cheers,
RayB
e.g. Ancient(320)= 64
'Geddon(160)= 32
War(80)= 16
Battle(40)= 8
Raid(20)= 4
Skirm(10)= 2
Pat(5)= 1
No flow charts or weird force division, just very simple maths! :wink:
Cheers,
RayB
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noobdelux
Guest
in regard to all this FAP thing.. you could just deside that "this is how i wanna do it" : )
i love this game, but you know out of everything this must get about the most posts for "god what do i do now". i can see that court j, is stating what is said in the book, no holding points back and splitting down as the rules dont state that now, even though its the same as the old system, but new comers wont know that agreed.
but come on, surely there has to be a simple system (or easy er) to use.
i think this constant messing about with this annoys everyone and sort of makes you think " have i got it right " even if you know or think you have.
lets all push for a complete pdf on the forum from mongoose or reputable source thats verified by mongoose, of a complete and final breakdown of every point. at least then all the worrying will be over and we can get on with enjoying the game.
what you think guys?
but come on, surely there has to be a simple system (or easy er) to use.
i think this constant messing about with this annoys everyone and sort of makes you think " have i got it right " even if you know or think you have.
lets all push for a complete pdf on the forum from mongoose or reputable source thats verified by mongoose, of a complete and final breakdown of every point. at least then all the worrying will be over and we can get on with enjoying the game.
what you think guys?
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noobdelux
Guest
sounds defenitly good darknight
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
Seconded. It is all that messing around that supports those guys who would prefer a points system over FAPs; without that confusion people would have it easier to get into the PL system (and no, I don´t want to start that old discussion again - I have heard all arguments from both sides before, and personally decided I like the PL system better).
Apart from that, it would really help playing the game if we knew how to build a "legal" fleet... :roll:
Apart from that, it would really help playing the game if we knew how to build a "legal" fleet... :roll:
