Shadows
- Thread starter Morakas
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Shadow Ships do die easily, yes. The trick is to use your SM to avoid fire, and run away to regenerate if you take a beating. Asteroid fields (and all other scenery) are your friend. Shadows are not an easy race to get right. Adaptive Armour would make them way overpoweed.
A lot of people have a tendancy to play on battlefields with little or no terrain.....as noted, shadows are the ultimate hit-and-run experts; you need something to run behind!
A hunter will recover 10-11 hitpoints per turn, and fights with full effect until destroyed - if you're getting hammered, RUN! If you make it behind cover with even 1 hit point remaining you can repair back to a fighting state.
The trick is to manage to get in close without giving away shots from boresight lasers (not easy as you're going to be short of initiative sinks)
Take a reasonable number of scouts and lurk behind cover. Let them come to you rather than trying to cross no-mans land.
Also, shadows excel in any mission where the objective is more subtle than just killing the enemy fleet; recons, blockade runs, assasination, etc - and they are possibly the most disgusting fleet to be ambushed by in a campaign.
A hunter will recover 10-11 hitpoints per turn, and fights with full effect until destroyed - if you're getting hammered, RUN! If you make it behind cover with even 1 hit point remaining you can repair back to a fighting state.
The trick is to manage to get in close without giving away shots from boresight lasers (not easy as you're going to be short of initiative sinks)
Take a reasonable number of scouts and lurk behind cover. Let them come to you rather than trying to cross no-mans land.
Also, shadows excel in any mission where the objective is more subtle than just killing the enemy fleet; recons, blockade runs, assasination, etc - and they are possibly the most disgusting fleet to be ambushed by in a campaign.
We tried exactly the same in my group with giving them adaptive armour, but they became ridiculously good. Fits the feel of the show, but not so much fun to play against as it became more of a how long can I survive against them game.
Armageddon by boosting their damage and tweaking the odd stat here or there went some way to fixing them in my opinion though.
Be interesting to see what happens when they and the vorlons move to the ancients style damage system in 2E though. I imagine they’ll have to be restated again, but at least the book keeping will be easier.
Armageddon by boosting their damage and tweaking the odd stat here or there went some way to fixing them in my opinion though.
Be interesting to see what happens when they and the vorlons move to the ancients style damage system in 2E though. I imagine they’ll have to be restated again, but at least the book keeping will be easier.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
The tournament lists were better for the most part but the tournament shadow hunter was broken Im afraid. Simple as that.
There are very few ships I will labels as flat out broken but the tourney hunter was one of them.
So was the tourney and original armageddon Saggitarius.
The tourney Vorlon heavy cruiser was cutting it very close but thats a little more iffy.
There are very few ships I will labels as flat out broken but the tourney hunter was one of them.
So was the tourney and original armageddon Saggitarius.
The tourney Vorlon heavy cruiser was cutting it very close but thats a little more iffy.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Well from what I know of 2nd ed (and yeah I know this is a cop out 'wait for 2nd Ed answer) Shadows are getting a new 'shield' mechanic which should work a bit like their old B5Wars damage abosorption capabilities 
I personally am content to wait for this, as while it WILL be better and feel more like I think Shadows SHOULD feel, theyre already a very good force as they stand if used right
I personally am content to wait for this, as while it WILL be better and feel more like I think Shadows SHOULD feel, theyre already a very good force as they stand if used right
Court Jester
Mongoose
Locutus9956 said:
I am curious as to what you mean by broken. I come from a card gaming community where broken means far too powerful and unbalanced because of it.
I have noticed however on this forum people use the phrase the other way round...
Locutus9956 said:Well from what I know of 2nd ed (and yeah I know this is a cop out 'wait for 2nd Ed answer) Shadows are getting a new 'shield' mechanic which should work a bit like their old B5Wars damage abosorption capabilities
Ah, yes... the diffusers.
Well, if we are lucky MP will drop the whole priority level thing and go to point values... :wink:
Anyway, I haven't played as or against the Shadows, but from what I hear here... they can often times dissapoint. Yeah, you can win... but it's tough.
Oh well. If they were the UBER-ships we saw on the show we would ALL be playing as Shadows, wouldn't we?
Drahazar said:
Its still in now - reading between the lines - the new Shadow Hunter is prob a different ship in the PSICorp list and the Shadow ship comes in two sizes - one with present stats (or 2nd Ed version) and the other with Hunter (or 2nd Ed version) stats. Ready to be corrected by the more informed!
Hopefully they (and the Vorlons) get some more choices to play with - everybody else gets plenty of ships that are not seen on the show.........
OnlyTheShadowKnows
Mongoose
I hear us Shadow players are going to get smaller Shadow Ships, there is the baby, teenager, and the mid life crisis cruiser.
-OTSK
-OTSK
Greg Smith
Mongoose
OnlyTheShadowKnows said:
Who can get the maternal upgrade, to become the single-mother-shadow-ship. :lol:
I know, we've had this joke before.
