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I see Steve is being Diplomatic again.
ADB will continue for ever with the exact same fanbase it has now, I actually wonder why Steve got into this agreement with Mongoose, as I think he is happy with the Existing models, and player base, and trying to expand it via mongoose with a streamlined ruleset and models with some detail, is just piffing him off. Sadly, i expect both sides are financially involved now, so they are in it for good or bad.
ADB will continue for ever with the exact same fanbase it has now, I actually wonder why Steve got into this agreement with Mongoose, as I think he is happy with the Existing models, and player base, and trying to expand it via mongoose with a streamlined ruleset and models with some detail, is just piffing him off. Sadly, i expect both sides are financially involved now, so they are in it for good or bad.
nekomata fuyu
Mongoose
Well, I was a lot more likely to look into getting into SFB until I saw the way Steve acts on his forums at times...
i've had a mooch round the forums, and it is quite apparant that Steve views his customers in a distonct ADB v Mongoose split, somthing which after a heated start, had more or less gone away on here, and to my knowledge is not something Matt thinks (but i could be wrong)nekomata fuyu said:
i agree that he has distonct products to deal with, but he shouldn't be posting about ADM v Mongoose on decisions on scouts LOS for example.
H said:
Thing is though this isn't isolated case...And as far as I understand if Steve decides he could pull the plug from Mongoose.
Even if he has no real intention of doing that this sort of thing shakes the foundation a bit gnawing basic FAITH of customers on long term viability. As economics teach if faith is shaken it can result in very _bad_ thing.
Enough people start believing ACTA:SF has no future and it could become self-fulfilling prophecy...
So the guy who's in overall charge posting stuff like starting to wonder if it's worth it is not exactly good sign. Now not saying he should be all bright and cheery even if he has issues but bit more care on wording could be handy and take major grievances straight to the other party.
Though at least it was done on just that forum in pretty off hand manner. Forum goers are always minority(though albeit often include disproportionate amount of guys who are driving force in organizing events and gaining visibility for the game essential for thriving product)
H said:
Well, you know how we do things here - we don't bad mouth our business partners. Or, indeed, talk about them at all. If anyone is looking for dirt, I am afraid this is not the forum for it. Last we heard, business was going well for ADB, and last month was the best yet for new ship line.
On this side of the ocean, we are still plugging away. Sand is currently working on the new Orion fleet with Lyrans up next in August, and we are just prepping the rapid prototypers for about 30 new SF ships which we hope to have ready for Gen Con, or thereabouts (including the new Gorn!).
archon96 said:
I would be surprised if that happens, given who the owners are. That said, we have spent the last few years watching B5 as a potential licence (we do, after all, have a lot of material that has already been approved, and so it would be no trouble...). Can't say more than that, but we are watching...
This is nothing new. Steve vents, he moves on with the next thing needing done.
Now he shouldn't be saying such things in public, but that's just his way. I don't agree with it, but there it is.
Matt and Steve:
As long as sales are good, just keep any problems with each other under wraps like it should be, and carry on. No need to scare the customer base into thinking the partnership is about to collapse; that'll only hurt sales and long-term viability of the game.
SFB isn't going anywhere. You don't have to worry about the long-term viability of the SFB system. Why would you care how he acts on the forums ? Enjoy the game and ignore the llama drama that sometimes goes on there. As long as it isn't directed at you, why worry about it?
Now he shouldn't be saying such things in public, but that's just his way. I don't agree with it, but there it is.
Matt and Steve:
As long as sales are good, just keep any problems with each other under wraps like it should be, and carry on. No need to scare the customer base into thinking the partnership is about to collapse; that'll only hurt sales and long-term viability of the game.
nekomata fuyu said:
SFB isn't going anywhere. You don't have to worry about the long-term viability of the SFB system. Why would you care how he acts on the forums ? Enjoy the game and ignore the llama drama that sometimes goes on there. As long as it isn't directed at you, why worry about it?
Gentlefolk, I would ask that you let Matthew and Steve work this out in private as they always end up doing. Please don't throw any additional fuel on the fire and please don't feel compelled to contact the people involved or any people on the edges of the situation. Everyone who should know is very aware of what was said. Any time there is a change in business procedures, it takes a while for things to shake down.
Thank you all for your cooperation.
Jean
Thank you all for your cooperation.
Jean
archon96 said:
Well there is this:
http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/08/18/is-babylon-5-set-to-return-in-some-form/
But:
a) that says JMS was the guy trying to acquire rights
b) almost year after that and dead silence. And for what "looks really good" that's not too promising thing...
Now I really, really, really, REALLY hope I'm wrong and that not only does B5 get comeback of some sort but it's also done in a way the B5 deserves!
Of course with rights being on WB odds of the latter is not good...
Jean said:
I'm sorry Jean, but this is advice you should be giving Steve, this isn't his first post along similar lines. I have been involved in new business procedures, and haven't taken to modern media to make comments on it, and I suspect I have been in business for a shorter time period. yes it should be private, but it's not is it, Steve has seen fit to put it in the public domain. I'm sorry if you think I am fueling the fire, but I am a concerned customer, who is now pondering whether to bother buying the Gorn fleet i have been waiting for.
