one-page character sheet

[slaughterj]

Fatlad said:

Shields are quite hard to handle. You could add a "shield parry" section in the "Armour" box. You could make space by removing the weight section from the "Armour" box (and also the "Weapons" box), as this probably isn't needed (as long as people put armour and weapons in the "Items and Equipment" box).

So you changed the form to:

a space for shield bonuses was added to the armour section in place of weight.

Now I'm trying to figure out the reason for this change. Shields don't add to armor so far as I can tell, just to the Parry and Dodge bonus (and they are appropriately accounted for in the Parry / Dodge section, rather than the size box you had before) - so why add Shields to the Amour section? Are people supposed to write in the armor and shield together on 1 line?
(Seems this would make more sense in D&D where armor and shields each add to your AC, but not so in Conan...).

 

[Elfman]

Now I'm trying to figure out the reason for this change. Shields don't add to armor so far as I can tell, just to the Parry and Dodge bonus (and they are appropriately accounted for in the Parry / Dodge section, rather than the size box you had before) - so why add Shields to the Amour section? Are people supposed to write in the armor and shield together on 1 line?
(Seems this would make more sense in D&D where armor and shields each add to your AC, but not so in Conan...).

Actually that's what I've been doing on my own sheets, writing in "chain + shield" in one line. That way I can list the armour penalties of the shield in with the other armour penalties.

From a design point of view, there really isn't a reason to have the weight listed in the armour section when you're most likely going to be listing it under equipment anyway. I figured the "option" to put a shield in the armour section would be worthwhile.

Now I don't really have any strong feelings either way on this specific field. If you use the sheet, post and let me know which way you want it, whether you like it as is (with a shield bonus field under armour) or if you want me to roll that box back to being a weight box. Either result is fine with me.

I'll consider all votes that make it in before noon pacific time (8pm GMT) on Friday, so I can try to have a FINAL VERSION updated for the weekend!

EDIT: If you don't want to post your vote, you can send me a PM.

 

[slaughterj]

Now I'm trying to figure out the reason for this change. Shields don't add to armor so far as I can tell, just to the Parry and Dodge bonus (and they are appropriately accounted for in the Parry / Dodge section, rather than the size box you had before) - so why add Shields to the Amour section? Are people supposed to write in the armor and shield together on 1 line?
(Seems this would make more sense in D&D where armor and shields each add to your AC, but not so in Conan...).

Actually that's what I've been doing on my own sheets, writing in "chain + shield" in one line. That way I can list the armour penalties of the shield in with the other armour penalties.

From a design point of view, there really isn't a reason to have the weight listed in the armour section when you're most likely going to be listing it under equipment anyway. I figured the "option" to put a shield in the armour section would be worthwhile.

Now I don't really have any strong feelings either way on this specific field. If you use the sheet, post and let me know which way you want it, whether you like it as is (with a shield bonus field under armour) or if you want me to roll that box back to being a weight box. Either result is fine with me.

I'll consider all votes that make it in before noon pacific time (8pm GMT) on Friday, so I can try to have a FINAL VERSION updated for the weekend!

EDIT: If you don't want to post your vote, you can send me a PM.

With the equipment list area being relatively small, I don't intend to relist armor and weapons there personally, though some might, thus why I like the weight column for armor, which is also consistent with the weapons section.

What it seems we need is a separate chart for Shield, since it combines a few effects from both Weapons and Armor, namely it should look like this:

SHIELD SHIELD CHECK SPELL DMG CRIT ARMOUR HARD HP WGT TYPE
BONUS PEN FAIL PIERCE

Otherwise, you have to "wedge" it into the armor list for things like check penalties and spell failure, but then add it to weapons to list it for damage, etc. I'm not sure yet where to wedge in a Shield section though.

 

[slaughterj]

A followup to my previous post (where the columns didn't line up?!). Check out the link for a mockup of where to put my proposed Shield section - it cuts a couple of Proficiencies/Feats/Special Abilities, but the weapon/armor blocks below save a lot as it is.

http://www.yandros.com/RPG/Conansheetmockup.pdf
(link should be fixed now)

Thoughts?

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know which sheet to vote for!

I think that Elfman's 1.4 sheet meets all the requirements, but slaughterj's sheet is nice 'cos you get to write your shield out in full, and it means that I don't need to write the shield up in both weapons and armour sections. The problem with not putting armour and weapons in the equipment section is that you don't automatically factor in their weight to your total when using the forms sheet.

 

[Elfman]

Good suggestion slaughterj.

I'll see about incorporating it. I'll probably cut one line form each of the sections below it, as now you won't have to list armour and shields in the equipment block.

I am thinking I've done enough on this sheet, and when I finish this mod, barring any "bugs" and outright errors, this will be the FINAL version. Look for both the forms and regular PDF versions sometime Friday.

 

[slaughterj]

I don't know which sheet to vote for!

I think that Elfman's 1.4 sheet meets all the requirements, but slaughterj's sheet is nice 'cos you get to write your shield out in full, and it means that I don't need to write the shield up in both weapons and armour sections. The problem with not putting armour and weapons in the equipment section is that you don't automatically factor in their weight to your total when using the forms sheet.

Well, can't the forms sheet be updated to do that, with a Shield section added in?

BTW, on my latest mockup, in addition to the Shield section, the intent was to allow the Weight section to be re-added to the Armor section (though I didn't put that on my mockup, should be clear to fix).

 

[Elfman]

That was my intention too slaughterj, to put the weight section back in the armour when I add in the shields section, and make the total weight calculation include the armour and shields weights so you don't have to relist them.

So let's not vote... seems like we can get both options

 

[slaughterj]

Great stuff, Elfman, thanks for the all the work! I'm going to be make a few characters today probably to help learn the game better, so if anything awry pops up in using the (non-forms) sheet I'll let you know.

 

[Jason Durall]

I'd like to echo the compliments on this great sheet. I've done them for a few games, and it is no small amount of work.

 

[Anonymous]

This sounds spot-on. With the weights for weapons, armour and shield auto-calculating, all the typing repetition is removed.

Thanks again.

 

[Elfman]

I've posted the latest and definitely final versions of the one-page Conan sheet, barring bug fix updates. This has been quite a lot more work than my last one-page sheet for Bab5, and I'm done tweaking it now. The sheet is good, I'm happy with it, and so it's finished.

Version 1.5 of the sheet has the new shield section, and the forms versions have the armour and sheild weights calculating into the final weights in the equipment section. You can download both versions at the original links, or for convenience just get them both here:

• :arrow: One-Page Character Sheet (48Kb PDF File)
  
  :arrow: One-Page Character Sheet w/Forms by Elfman & rook111 (430Kb PDF File)

The previous version, v1.4, had been removed form my site, so I'll be going back and editing those posts that reference version 1.4 and removing the references. This latest version definitely supercedes all previous versions. Can you tell I *really* like this version?

Share and Enjoy!

 

[slaughterj]

Kick ass Elfman! Sheet looks good, seems like everything's covered...er...but where do I write my spells? LOL!

 

[Elfman]

SMACK!

 

[Anonymous]

Elfman,

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

[slaughterj]

SMACK!

Does that mean I don't even get a box for my power points?

 

[Elfman]

Does that mean I don't even get a box for my power points?

No cookies for you today. :twisted:

<sigh>are you really serious about that? Or just pulling my chain? :roll:

 

[slaughterj]

Does that mean I don't even get a box for my power points?

No cookies for you today. :twisted:

<sigh>are you really serious about that? Or just pulling my chain? :roll:

Just pulling your chain I don't know where I'd put that on the sheet, and figure it can go on the back with spells listed EDIT - er, nevermind, see the line for PP on the sheet

Alternatively, a backsheet could be made for spellusers, with PP, Magic Attack, and Spells Listed (including casting costs, etc.)...

 

[Anonymous]

Just spotted something - the weapon weights don't seem to be auto-calculating into total load.

 

[Elfman]

Just spotted something - the weapon weights don't seem to be auto-calculating into total load.

I just checked the file from my website, and it seems to be calculating fine for me. I put a value in all 15 of the weight cells, and they all added up into the total weight carried cell.

The total load is supposed to be a write-in: you know, write in "heavy", "light" or that sort of thing. At least, that's how I intended it; you can use as you like.