Legend of the Rangers - Possible Crusade Era Ships?

[Alexb83]

Given how many new ships the EA seem to pick up with every rules update..

Have the 3 ranger ships shown in the LotR movie been considered as additional ships for Crusade Era ISA/Minbari?

I got the impression that the Liandra was a Minbari ship (or rather, a Ranger ship, before they became the main fighting force of the ISA, and still worked under the Aegis of the warrior caste), which might fit into the mostly empty Skirmish PL for the Minbari fleet.

The Enfali and Valen might fit into either the ISA fleet list, or the Minbari list, or both? Again, the Enfali might give the ISA some options around the skirmish PL, whilst the Valen might fit in at Battle or war?

 

[Shadow Queen]

I think we touched on this some time ago ....

 

[katadder]

yeah, i think in latest S&P roleplayer they go on about the rangers using all 3 of these ships, so means the ISA might get some skirmish and patrol ships at some point.

 

[Locutus9956]

Yep myself and quite a few others I believe, were of the impression that these would have been much better expansions to the ISA list than the Whitestar Gunship, Whitestar Fighter, Whitestar Toaster, Whitestar Lemon Curry, Whitestar Donkey Bridle, and so on that Mongoose decided to introduce.... (Im not sure if all of those designs made it past playtesting ).

Im STILL of the oppinion that this would be a better idea as even if the new WS varients we're better looking, I still loathe the idea with a vengeance. I personally will NEVER field any ISA ship of the current line aside fro VCDs, and WS 1s

 

[katadder]

well i will use whitestar carriers, but if we get some patrol/skirmish ships in the form of the liandra and enfali, and maybe a battle level vaeln it will certainly fill some gaps in the ISA fleet and stop us needing allies all the time.

 

[Alexb83]

I was also thinking about the possibility of putting the white star, enfali and liandra into the Minbari fleet within certain IS dates. All of them were built by the Minbari, and operated by the Minbari for a certain length of time.

The Liandra class for instance was built for the rangers and run by them, but at the time the Rangers were part of the Minbari military, not the ISA.

 

[Goldritter]

The Rangers were part of the (regular) Minbari military ???

If I remember the fluff right and the film "In the Beginning", then the Rangers were never part of the Minbari military.

The reason why, was that the Ranger recruit Worler and Religious Caste members too and the Warrior don´t like this.

 

[Alexb83]

According to JMS, the Rangers, prior to the shadow war, were under the aegis of the Warrior caste. They were trained by them, had their ships built for them by the warrior caste, and for all intents and purposes were part of the warrior caste.

When the war began, they became an entity unto themselves (and Entil'Zha). Remember how Neroon fought to try and get control of them back from Delenn?

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

I thought the Worker Caste built all the warships...

 

[Shadow Queen]

Worker cast

 

[Alexb83]

JMS contradicted himself a bit on this - in season 1, there was no worker caste (or Delenn failed to mention them). Then there was, then it was a case of 'worker caste makes the ships, warriors crew them'. Then later it was a case of 'warriors only 'control' 1/3 of the ships.

I guess workers did build them, by definition. But the warriors provided everything to the Rangers, from training to ships. I guess it just means that the rangers made up part of the 1/3 of the minbari fleet that would normally be solely warrior caste.

 

[Triggy]

Mongoose are looking at these ships as options for the future but this doesn't mean we'll necessarily see them any time soon/at all.

 

[lastbesthope]

Have the 3 ranger ships shown in the LotR movie been considered as additional ships for Crusade Era ISA/Minbari?

I've seen early development stats for all 3 of them, and the ship Sheridan uses in SiL.

LBH

 

[Triggy]

Have the 3 ranger ships shown in the LotR movie been considered as additional ships for Crusade Era ISA/Minbari?

I've seen early development stats for all 3 of them, and the ship Sheridan uses in SiL.

LBH

Same here

 

[Abraxas]

JMS contradicted himself a bit on this - in season 1, there was no worker caste (or Delenn failed to mention them). Then there was, then it was a case of 'worker caste makes the ships, warriors crew them'. Then later it was a case of 'warriors only 'control' 1/3 of the ships.

They built them and gave them to each caste... which, yes, means they gave 1/3 of the ships to themselves. I assume they mine the resources and then of course construct the ships.

I do agree that the Worker caste recieved the least amount of attention (possibly may be in the lost episodes that come out soon) and I would have preferred otherwise.

I guess workers did build them, by definition. But the warriors provided everything to the Rangers, from training to ships. I guess it just means that the rangers made up part of the 1/3 of the minbari fleet that would normally be solely warrior caste.

Or (I am about to contradict myself) each caste may have virtual control over the fleet. Warriors crew them but 1/3 of them are under the complete control of the respective caste.

Damn aliens with a confusing government structure... :roll:

 

[Balance]

I always assumed that workers manned the transport ships, especially when not in time of war... The Minbari may not do much trade with other races, but they do need to move supplies around their worlds, I'd assume.

 

[captainsmirk]

I can't remember where but I'm sure there are mentions that all the Minbari Castes actually operate warships (or at least Sharlins) just that the Warrior Caste have more over all and during wars the Warriors have tactical command of the Fleet.

As for the Rangers you do kind of get the impression that they are exactly flavour of the month with the Warrior Caste. Plus a lot of Religious Caste Minbari seem to have a large amount of combat training (Delenn, Lennier, etc)...

And then one of the Warrior's big leaders Neroon gets beaten up by Commander Sinclair in fistycuffs, yet whoops Marcus' ass with a Denn'Bok...

Nick

 

[Target]

Probably doesn't worry them who is piloting what as the all have damn flight computers.

 

[Alexb83]

I can't remember where but I'm sure there are mentions that all the Minbari Castes actually operate warships (or at least Sharlins) just that the Warrior Caste have more over all and during wars the Warriors have tactical command of the Fleet.

As for the Rangers you do kind of get the impression that they are exactly flavour of the month with the Warrior Caste. Plus a lot of Religious Caste Minbari seem to have a large amount of combat training (Delenn, Lennier, etc)...

And then one of the Warrior's big leaders Neroon gets beaten up by Commander Sinclair in fistycuffs, yet whoops Marcus' ass with a Denn'Bok...

Nick

I don't think the Warriors disliked the rangers - they objected to being ordered to dedicate their resources to them by the grey council, since they (as seen by their members in the grey council) didn't even believe that the great war was going to happen any more.

As for Neroon getting beaten by Sheridan - I guess he wasn't really trying to kill him, and he didn't have a big stick to help him. And besides, Valen was a badass 8)

 

[locarno24]

I can't remember where but I'm sure there are mentions that all the Minbari Castes actually operate warships (or at least Sharlins) just that the Warrior Caste have more over all and during wars the Warriors have tactical command of the Fleet.

That's correct. If not, it would have made the Minbari caste war....short.