Concerns About Fedayeen
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Fedayeen (from the Arabic fidā'ī, plural fidā'īyīn, فدائيون: "one who is ready to sacrifice his life", Armenian: Ֆէտայի) describes several distinct, primarily Arab groups at different times in history.
were talking fanatical here, if you said to a US soldier make a quack noise or il kill your entire family hed go quak, if you said it to a memeber of the fedayeen, hed shoot his entire family, then ask why ?
fedyeen haVE NO CONCEPT OF DEATH TO THE POINT IF YOU KILL ONE YOU MAKE THEM MORE DETERMININED.
elite no, a special type of force ? yes.
familys hope their soldiers come home safe, fedayen members and their family, pry they die evey day in the cause, they may kill one US or brit soldier, and inreturn loose 20 men, but thats to them a victory a major victory, that one guy they killed causes pain and greivance the 20 of them that died is cause for their own celebration.
sadam hussain had his own white clad Fedayeen, wich he was more proad of than his own goverment troops, he chose them as his personal guard, as they would fight fanaticly to the end with no concept of fear.
but in iran fedayeen is different again as it is in afganistan, its just a word, that is given to any soldier who is prepared to give up his life on a word, evan if it is for no reason.
on the snipper issue, all the games ive played so far, not an issue.
were talking fanatical here, if you said to a US soldier make a quack noise or il kill your entire family hed go quak, if you said it to a memeber of the fedayeen, hed shoot his entire family, then ask why ?
fedyeen haVE NO CONCEPT OF DEATH TO THE POINT IF YOU KILL ONE YOU MAKE THEM MORE DETERMININED.
elite no, a special type of force ? yes.
familys hope their soldiers come home safe, fedayen members and their family, pry they die evey day in the cause, they may kill one US or brit soldier, and inreturn loose 20 men, but thats to them a victory a major victory, that one guy they killed causes pain and greivance the 20 of them that died is cause for their own celebration.
sadam hussain had his own white clad Fedayeen, wich he was more proad of than his own goverment troops, he chose them as his personal guard, as they would fight fanaticly to the end with no concept of fear.
but in iran fedayeen is different again as it is in afganistan, its just a word, that is given to any soldier who is prepared to give up his life on a word, evan if it is for no reason.
on the snipper issue, all the games ive played so far, not an issue.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Not as much in 2142 I find, 'carbombing' is just ridiculously effective at times in BF2 
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Just my point Evil, HIGHLY motivated, but not highly trained.
Guys,
I play Fedayeen regularly. I helped in the latter stages of their development, and Matthew will tell you that I tried every way known to man to bust these guys into fanatical car-bombing suicide maniacs, and Matthew has a counter in the rules to stop every one.
Sure, they have snipers. Big deal. Everybody has them. Half the time they will end up duelling each other for supremacy and find out the battle has pased them by.
Fedayeen are quality support troops but they die easy and to get your snipers in a firing position worth having exposes the unit to pretty unpleasant retribution.
I play Fedayeen regularly. I helped in the latter stages of their development, and Matthew will tell you that I tried every way known to man to bust these guys into fanatical car-bombing suicide maniacs, and Matthew has a counter in the rules to stop every one.
Sure, they have snipers. Big deal. Everybody has them. Half the time they will end up duelling each other for supremacy and find out the battle has pased them by.
Fedayeen are quality support troops but they die easy and to get your snipers in a firing position worth having exposes the unit to pretty unpleasant retribution.
Gibbs said:
The way I read it the card says *with* a charge action, not *as* a charge action (IE replacing).
The 'placing on *any* vehicle' is supplementary to the charge action. There is no need to modify the charge action rule, therefore it's not possible to place the IED on your own vehicle.
Also, you need to make sure that the enemy tanks are occupied to take advantage of your sniping abilities otherwise you'll get a mouthful of HE. That's what happened in a game I played. It wasn't until all the tanks were neutralised or otherwise engage that the snipers actually came out to play. And then they weren't as effective as a technical with an MG.
Mr Evil said:i send in warriors to engage snipers, as they have to react by moving back with means they cant snipe next turn
you can keep fedyeen busy with minmal effort ive found, as mea player doesnt wish to loose them and their IEDs and kornets
Ummm not true. Warrior comes forward, so do the AT-14s. Put a revered leader into the mix and a ready action later the snipers are gunning down any survivors. :twisted: I've seen that one happen too. (although instead of having a revered leader the guy had two squads of feds, one opened up with the AT-14s (move then shoot) the other opened up with SVUs... not much left after that. Oh and to really rub salt into the wound. The warrior was in cover.
shmitty said:
Example 1:
Fed1 - Action 1 Moves. Action 2 Ready.
Fed2 - Action 1 Readies. Action 2 3 snipers fire on the enemy squad.
Fed1 - Action 1 - 2 of 3 snipers fire on the enemy squad. One holds his shot. Action 2. pick a new FZ. sniper 2 fires aimed shot and rest just shoot. Potentially taking out two squads in 1 round.
Fed2 - repeat last round. Taking out one unit per round.
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Example 2:
Fed1 - Action 1 your choice. Action 2 Ready.
Fed2 - Action 1 your choice. Action 2 Ready.
Fed1 - Action 1 - 2 of 3 snipers fire on the enemy squad. One holds his shot. Action 2. pick a new FZ. sniper 2 fires aimed shot and rest just shoot.
Fed2 - Action 1 - 1 of 3 snipers fire on the enemy squad. One holds his shot. Action 2. pick a new FZ. Last 2 sniper fires aimed shot and rest just shoot.
Round 2 = chance for 4 units disabled. in round 2. You then can ready and shoot at your leisure picking off the stragglers because they will soon be easily suppressed.
Does not include instances where there is more than one leader in the 12" FZ ring.
It gets nastier when you bring the Revered Leader into play.
Action 1 - Ready
Action 2 - snipe one unit
Bonus action 3 - snipe another unit with snipers that did not fire in action 2
With the RL unit in the Fed squad they are MUCH more likely to auto-drop 1 and possibly 2 enemy units in a round.
Paladin: That makes more sense now...thanks for the examples.
The first seems more likely than the second to me. With the second, if I saw you ready two sniper heavy Fed squads at the end of your turn I would be spending the following turn moving unit leaders, etc out of their LOS. In either case, it seems that the smart use of reactions will be important to save your squads from sniper stall.
The first seems more likely than the second to me. With the second, if I saw you ready two sniper heavy Fed squads at the end of your turn I would be spending the following turn moving unit leaders, etc out of their LOS. In either case, it seems that the smart use of reactions will be important to save your squads from sniper stall.
