Capital Ship 500 and 1000 Ton Bay Weapons

[barnest2]

The problem with this is that different people arrive at different interpre-
tations with different results ...

So, wait... like the bible?
Is high guard going to be the future bible?
Are wars going to be fought over the barrage rules?
People are going to argue, who was right? Our Saviour Apoc, or The Lord Rikki?


(Sorry. Couldn't resist. No offence meant to any religious members of the board)

 

[rust]

Are wars going to be fought over the barrage rules?

I seriously hope that you did not mistake the obvious war preparations un-
der the code name "Billion Credit Squadron" for a harmless game. :shock:

 

[barnest2]

Are wars going to be fought over the barrage rules?

I seriously hope that you did not mistake the obvious war preparations un-
der the code name "Billion Credit Squadron" for a harmless game. :shock:

No, I have already submitted my designs to the Imperial design bureau for construction. I am prepared for this war. Are you?

 

[rust]

I am prepared for this war. Are you?

I am prepared to retreat to my water world colony, since it is not in the
Traveller universe I should be safe there ... 8)

 

[billclo]

I'm waiting for a re-do of the BCS, maybe with more money available...in the meantime I best get cracking getting some designing ships practice.

 

[apoc527]

Okay, thanks Apoc for re-explaining it to me. Jeeze, Mongoose can't even use an accurate example of their own combat system. No wonder no one can figure it out.

I cannot believe there have been no significant re-wordings or errata published over this.

I'm getting a headache with this "New and Improved Traveller Game" that Mongoose put together. There's some really nice and neat stuff they added, and then there's this. Accurate examples and better editing would help as well. I'm not quite so enamored with my $80 purchase as I was when I started to be sure.

Apoc, having re-read it multiple times, I think your method is closer to what the book says, even though their example is for crap.

Have no second thoughts! I LOVE this game system. I only post heavily on forums of games I use a lot that work well, so while YMMV, I'm very happy with MgT even with its foibles.

 

[barnest2]

I second the above. Mongoose has some serious problems, but I love it, and it's certainly one of my favourite game systems. Mongoose has always done good things (i'm a big fan of their SST game as well), and while it's a shame there were some editing problems, It doesn't detract that much from the game...

 

[Kromodor]

Indeed.

They just need some highly organized guy (in terms of tidyness and rule setting) to jump on their heads.

 

[Jeraa]

I'm getting a headache with this "New and Improved Traveller Game" that Mongoose put together. There's some really nice and neat stuff they added, and then there's this. Accurate examples and better editing would help as well. I'm not quite so enamored with my $80 purchase as I was when I started to be sure.

Yeah, Mongoose really should of done a better job with all this. Examples not matching the text, or rules not making sense even with examples. Or making two vehicle books then realizing their system was crap and now going to remake those books to hopefully make them make sense.

But, despite all of the problems, Mongoose Traveller is still the system closest to what I want in a sci-fi game system. Just means I have to tweak quite a few things to get it to work they way I want.

 

[DFW]

Yeah, Mongoose really should of done a better job with all this. Examples not matching the text, or rules not making sense even with examples. Or making two vehicle books then realizing their system was crap and now going to remake those books to hopefully make them make sense.

But, despite all of the problems, Mongoose Traveller is still the system closest to what I want in a sci-fi game system. Just means I have to tweak quite a few things to get it to work they way I want.

The worst part is that they won't accept help from the community to make better products.

 

[Kromodor]

On topic:

If the result of defense calculation gives POSSITIVE +DM, do you take it, or do you still take Zero.

Example using your data.

Attack roll is 8 (dice) + 4 (fire control) + 3 (skill) = 15
Defense is 0 (no sand casters, no armor, nothing...Capital junk ship)

Individual dice/dmg is 9.

So, the Defense DM is 0 - 9 = 9 possitive DM for the attack.
Do this makes it 15 + 9 = 24 (over 9000)
Or you can't reduce defense less than 0, so it's 15 + 0 = 15.

IMO it should go beyond zero, since it's not only armor, but all other abstracted measures.

Off-topic (or partial on-topic)

Maybe Mongoose have reasons (like lack of resources) to run around the forums and gather data. Which is sad, since when you have popular game, you met extraordinary fans who are geniuses in specific topics. You can learn a lot!

In the Video game industry, a lot (means at least 10%) of game designers follow this trend and I have to admit - it's successful.

 

[DFW]

Off-topic (or partial on-topic)

Maybe Mongoose have reasons (like lack of resources) to run around the forums and gather data. Which is sad, since when you have popular game, you met extraordinary fans who are geniuses in specific topics. You can learn a lot!

It doesn't take a lot of resources to set up a channel to receive suggestions by category...

 

[apoc527]

I allow a positive attack DM after armor. Heavy particle bays hurt more than beam lasers after all.

 

[Kromodor]

Thanks apoc527!

DFW, Resources means - someone has to read all the posts/comments, check their "adequacy" and then see if they apply to the possible errors for errata.

But my guess is guys from Mongoose either work on new things or don't work at all on similar "idea" gathering. Of course, I could be wrong.

I, for example, am rather different fish. I will stick with my fist idea and improve and optimize it until the end of time.

 

[Solomani666]

Thanks apoc527!
I will stick with my fist idea and improve and optimize it until the end of time.

I knew this thread would degenerate eventually, but this is a new low...


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[barnest2]

Thanks apoc527!
I will stick with my fist idea and improve and optimize it until the end of time.

I knew this thread would degenerate eventually, but this is a new low...

Were you making a joke out of a typo? Or were you just being a douche as usual?

 

[rust]

Or were you just being a douche as usual?

Ah ... - my dictionary does not give a translation of "Douche", and looking
at Wikipedia's explanation of "Douche" I am not at all convinced that this
really is what you mean ? :?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche

 

[barnest2]

Ha. I forgot about its real meaning. English slang (from down south I think). Equivalent to being a nob, or a d*ck.

 

[rust]

Ha. I forgot about its real meaning. English slang (from down south I think). Equivalent to being a nob, or a d*ck.

Thank you very much, another word for my collection.

 

[Solomani666]

Ah ... - my dictionary does not give a translation of "Douche", and looking
at Wikipedia's explanation of "Douche" I am not at all convinced that this
really is what you mean ? :?

It's new American slang. Let me help you...

Douche -
1. A 'tight-ass' person lacking in humor who makes unjustified personal attacks in forums, while hiding safely behind his keyboard.
2. One lacking in manners and forum etiquette while accusing others of the same.
3. Any person who uses the word "Douche" in a Traveller forum.




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