BF Evo, future weapons

and requires a warhead or explosive to strike before detonating

HMG fire can also set it off, and long rod AP rounds (against which it also has an efefct), so there isn't necessarily a "big bang" in the vicinity, or at least not until the ERA goes off :)

Something that some readers may not appreciate is that (in most cases) it isn't the explosive itself that is intended to defeat the incoming SC jet (or long rod) but the front face plate of the RA pack. The explosive is there to propel the plate across the line of flight of the rod or jet.
 
That's true.

Mkame me wonder how often that actually comes up though.

In all honesty I haven't seen any TUSK modified Abrams being fielded in OIF right now.
 
The difference between being near a tank protected by ERA and one not protected by it still exists, and is quite significant. In the case of ERA-protected tank the danger zone is much bigger than in the case of one without such protection.
As for setting off ERA cells with HMG fire - its mostly urban legend. Modern ERA cells (at least Russian and Polish ones) have quite thick armor themselves (up to 15 milimeters). Why? So that precursor charges on modern HEAT missiles don't set them off. Of course this protects against the older 2-stage warheads, not the newer ones (which use larger precursor charges) - but the protection against HMG setting them off is very good. Larger caliber KE rounds are of course capable of setting off the ERA cells - and ERA has similar (although much weaker) effect on KE rounds. Russians claim that their Kontakt-5 ERA is able to protect T-90 from KE rounds from Abrams (from the front only).
 
As for setting off ERA cells with HMG fire - its mostly urban legend.

Hardly. I've seen it for real :)

Note also that I said "can" rather than "does". Obviously it depends on the sensitivity of your energetic material and the skill of your armour designers.
 
Hiromoon said:
We're talking warheads, not shells Evil. Keep up.

so was i but i just type more casualy than you read :) plus i type my stuff without usin wiki to quote from so shells warheads, as far as my post was concerned, same differance.
 
Hiromoon said:
Well, how big is the zone for ERA in comparison to a standard RPG?
Depends on the ERA cell - but usually 2-3 times bigger radius.

DM - was it a western manufacture ERA cell (this is one area in which western countries have to cover a lot of space to come close to former warsaw pact countries) or something russian from the early eighties? If western manufacture ERA cells still can explode after being hit by HMG fire, the TUSK upgrade (at least the ERA part of it) is a really bad idea...
 
Pietia said:
Depends on the ERA cell - but usually 2-3 times bigger radius.

I'd like to see some hard numbers there, Pietia, but I'll take your word for it.


Edit: I did some lookng for information... I didn't find much though. Not entirely surprised they won't tell you how big the explosion of one block of ERA is... But I did find this:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/07/gdrafaels-reactive-armor-equips-us-military-updated/index.php

Edit 2:
According to RAFAEL, their ERA has low collateral damage?
http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/4/734.pdf
 
LAND_M113_w_RAFAEL_Reactive_Armor_l.gif


Holy crap! That's a lot of ERA. Can the thing even move?
 
Depends what type and arrangement it uses inside those panniers. Its not necesarily all that dense.
 
DM is right - if the cells are mounted at an angle (to minimize collateral damage by directing the blast upwards) there will be a lot of free space. Besides, M-113 has a lot of potential for upgrades. If they replaced the engine with a more powerful one it probably won't even lose too much speed.
 
The Army's New Land Warrior Gear: Why Soldiers Don't Like It
After spending 15 years on R & D, the Pentagon is outfitting soldiers for a high-tech battlefield network designed to cut through the fog of war. Popular Mechanics tests out the high-tech package and discovers why America's wireless warriors think it will slow them down in Iraq.

wireless-warrior-lede-0507.jpg

Looking through the Land Warrior System’s flip-down eyepiece, shown here being used by a member of the 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, from Fort Lewis, Wash., is equivalent to viewing a 17-in. computer monitor. Along with maps and other information, the eyepiece displays the view through the lens of a video camera mounted on a soldier’s M-4, enabling him to peer over walls in safety. The brigade, now deployed in Iraq, is the first unit to test the gear in combat.

There's a half-billion dollars invested in the gear hanging off the heads, chests and backs of the soldiers of Alpha company. Digital maps displayed on helmet-mounted eyepieces show the position of all the men in the unit as they surround a block of concrete buildings and launch their attacks. Instead of relying on the hand signals and shouted orders that most infantrymen use, Alpha company communicates via advanced, encrypted radio transmissions with a range of up to a kilometer. It's more information than any soldiers have ever had about their comrades and their surroundings.

Read the rest at:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4215715.html?page=1


wireless-warrior-peek-0507.jpg

Peek performance: The Land Warrior System, a wearable package of computers and other high-tech gear, includes a digital sight that lets soldiers aim at enemies without exposing themselves to danger.


How it works:

warrior-diag1-0507.jpg


HELMET SUBSYSTEM
The Kevlar Advanced Combat Helmet weighs approximately 3 pounds, half the weight of current models. An eyepiece (A) bolted to the helmet acts as a full-color computer interface, displaying maps and images from the camera on the weapon. A boom mic (B) and over-the-ear headphones (C) allow troops to communicate.

SOLDIER CONTROL UNIT
A computer "mouse" (D) shaped like a gun grip is strapped to the chest and used to toggle among screens in the eyepiece. It also is used to key the radio and send data to other soldiers.

WEAPON SUBSYSTEM
A laser rangefinder (E) mounted on the rifle pinpoints enemy positions and sends their location coordinates across the network. The thermal sight (F) provides night vision, and a digital camera (G) lets soldiers send video clips to commanders.

CONTROLLER
A toggle switch (hidden by the soldier's left hand) is used to control the weapon's laser and video sights. It can also be used to operate the multiband radio.

EYEPIECE VIEWS
warrior-screen-1n-0507.jpg
warrior-screen-2n-0507.jpg

With the eyepiece, a soldier can access mission data and a video feed from the camera attached to the M-4. Land Warrior's boot screen (1) looks much like one seen on so many consumer electronic devices. Land Warrior's GPS system creates maps (2) that show friendly troops represented by blue icons, but there's a lag time for updating positions.

warrior-screen-3n-0507.jpg
warrior-screen-4n-0507.jpg

A drop-down menu (3) here, superimposed over a daytime video feed from the rifle's camera provides mission updates and text-messaging (4) capability.

warrior-screen-5n-0507.jpg
warrior-screen-6n-0507.jpg

The weapon's thermal sight allows soldiers to scout terrain and potential targets at any time of day (5) or night (6).

warrior-diag2-0507.jpg

Soldiers tell PM that the system's weight and bulk make maneuvering difficult. On their backs, infantrymen carry a 12-hour battery (H) to power Land Warrior; a CPU (I) that runs the system; a GPS unit (J) to create maps; and a multiband radio (K) for voice and data communication.

warrior-diag3-0507.jpg

By 2015, the Pentagon envisions a seamless communications network that connects Washington to the front lines in real time. Much of the technology exists today. Soldiers equipped with new radios as part of the Land Warrior System (1) are linked to Stryker infantry vehicles (2) to coordinate tank and helicopter support. Joint Node Networks (3). truck-mounted communications equipment, offer network access to the platoons. Those networks also enable troops to send video clips directly to the Tactical Operations Center (4). The center relays orders between Navy ships (5) and aircraft (6) from other branches of the military. Software known as the Command Post of the Future (7) acts as a mobile hub to connect the battlefield and the Pentagon. Orders can be relayed to the Prophet mobile electronics array (8 ), which jams enemy equipment, and to Future Combat Systems vehicles (9) that will be deployed over the next decade. Upgraded military satellites (10) will be launched by 2010 to form a new backbone for the system. Davin Coburn (Illustration by Dogo)
 
one thought hits me.

wow extra bagage how lucky are they !!!

light infantry carry way to much stuff now as it is, im sure a pda with built in camera could pretty much do all that, click pda to your gun and angle the screen for your shot.

sorry, just looks heavy and overcomplex for the poor sod whos got to operate and lug it around.

PBI
 
thing is ithas been shown extra weight destroys the mussles quicker, meaning sockets get worn faster and such somthing no matter how much you train you naturaly cant defend against, this to me feels like any body becoming a soldier is going to have to face the fact there gona be far more likly to suffer in their 30s and 40s than their commrads generations back would of.

i admit it was a few years ago but i tried a integrated battle feild proto type system years ago, and it was cumbersome. things you need in a skirmish is full head mobility, the ability to dive and crawl and slide. and unrestricted movment, all these sytems so far i have seen fight against such logic, i know its early days still, and i guese once the contracts go out maybe the size and weight will go down to somthing like a mobile phone, once we are at that stage il be happy.

just concerns me all this gear and its bulk restricting the soldiers movment and incresing his target signature size and his chances of being detected, find a dead trooper and you know where every body is !!!!

that said comunication on the bttle feild is damn important, and knowing where and when your buds are attacking can be good if all things dont go perfectly to plan and training.
 
I seriously think that soldiers will get used to it and it will become more user friendly as the land warrior system continues to develop. Remember this is first wave production testing. My only concern would be could the average grunt handle working with the technology or will it just make them feel stupid?
 
Back
Top