BF Evo, future weapons

Richgo22 said:
To angel: I will quit making remarks, that could be read as political. . . I am a Brit, but I have a brain. I never understood why it is wise to omit politics and religion in talk. . . untill I came over and saw it for myself. So, althrough this board is British, not US-american (you are guests here), I will make this consession for my US-american friends.

Actually Richgo, I'm getting the feeling that you make sense only to yourself.

Well, to be honest the grenades ment for the OICW were 20mm. That's nothing to scoff at in all honesty. They were looking to up those to 25mm. While that's not the same size of the M203 (40mm grenades), it does give the average soldier the ability to engage light armored vehicles. The fancy doo-dads in the OICW scope were going to do all the calculations for you, so you could easilly tell the Airburst grenade to explode just past the window.

Course, the OICW has been put on hold till they can solve the weight issue.
Richgo22 said:
Therefore I said "squad-operated". . .

by squad op. do you mean a basic, every day infantry squad?

or a weapons team (a support section)? because that makes tons more sense :D

because there's already plenty a 40mm auto GL going around in support sections, mounted on APCs\Armoured cars etc in a number of forces :)

Hiromoon said:
Course, the OICW has been put on hold till they can solve the weight issue.

:( i remember using it in the original ghost recon.... that gun was A grade awesome! :twisted:

any chance that the US are going to go with metal storm to solve weight? apparently you guys where interested in the AICW due to it meeting some kind of weight requirement (i could be very, very wrong here :lol:)
Slim to nil. Honestly, don't use Metal storm! Keep with chemical based weapons. If you're complaining about battery weight now...
Hiromoon said:
Slim to nil. Honestly, don't use Metal storm! Keep with chemical based weapons. If you're complaining about battery weight now...

And problems with loading time in the field.

To Hiro: Did the spin count fuse for the Land Warrior 20mm grenades work. . . under field conditions?

For a 60mm launcher, rocket propelled, what would be the weight of the round? 1 to 1,5 kilos? This would be a frag ring and about 200 to 400 gramms of explosives. The rocket engine, give it also some 400 gramm. The fuse would be light.
The launcher itself? Maybe 5 to 7 kilos, depending on how expensive it was made?
The lasers on the sights would not be so heavy, an would come in handy for measuring distances.
A squad of four (or section) could operate one launcher (and 3 assault rifles), and the sqaud could carry 6 to 8 rounds for the laucher, my guess.
Beats me. As far as I know it never made it into actual field tests (you know, deployed with units overseas... we had some XM8s deployed to Iraq).
Yeah, solid state laser system. We have a unit called the Zeus currently in the role of IED hunter/killer. It uses a laser to..well..kill IEDs.

The Air Force's Airborne Laser is actually pretty cool, they had the aircraft at Andrews for an Airshow recently....
Yep, yep, and no clue.

In other news:

U.S. Army's FCS To Get New Name

The U.S. Army has decided that its eight-year-old flagship modernization program, the Future Combat Systems (FCS), will get a new name.

“It’s not future any more. It is here. We are bending metal now,” said Paul Meheny, a spokesman for the FCS program.

U.S. Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) officials have recommended a new name to Army leaders, said Helen Lardner, deputy director of the Army Capabilities Integration Center, Forward. Lardner said that Gen. George Casey, the U.S. Army chief of staff, will make the announcement in the coming months.

Several kinds of FCS gear are in testing and slated for fielding by 2008 or 2010, including the unmanned Micro Air Vehicle, the Unmanned Ground Sensor and the bomb-detecting Small Unmanned Ground Vehicle. The chassis for the first 27-ton FCS Man-Ground Vehicle is being built at a BAE Systems facility in Santa Clara, Calif.

FCS computers, software-programmable radio and communications gear are being installed for testing on Bradley armored vehicles, M1 Abrams tanks and Humvees. FCS is conducting 65 different tests in 41 states, Meheny said.

“In the late ’90s, it was future, plus we were embarking on something the Army’s never done,” Lardner said.
I heard of it. . . was it not a Boeing 747, a flying monster-laser? How many shot can it deliver?

In a word - none.

Even when they get it working it's a liquid chemical laser - that means not only do you have to cope with the heat generated - I've seen 500 degrees plus suggested before, a big deal when flying at an altitude where shedding heat is a problem in the thin air.

Each shot would need to be followed by a cool-down time (several minutes). On top of that, you've got 8,000 gallons of hydrogen peroxide and other chemicals to be cycled and chilled to prepare for the next shot.

That and most of the crew being permenantly stuck in hazmat suits.
Actually they have test fired the ABL with a low powered version of the laser, with the first test fire of the high powered on in 2008.
No, they haven't.

Boeing said the ABL "fired the TILL at the Big Crow target board for the first time March 15."

TILL, the 'laser' used in the test, is a 'track illuminator laser', designed to show how the air density varies along the intended path, to compensate and allow the shot to deliver as much energy to the target as possible.

To put it another way, they've got the gunsight working.

In upcoming flight tests, ABL will again demonstrate the engagement sequence, but this time use the return from its BILL instead of the Big Crow's beacon laser to measure atmospheric distortion

No...I take that back. They've got half the gunsight working.

The only relevant claim is the final part of the article, which claims to have sucessfully used the main laser on the ground, under 'rigourous', but completely unreported, conditions.

Lastly, Richgo22 don't get your hopes up; Airborne Laser is a missile intercept system (yet another part of the missile defence system that has more problems than you can shake a pointy stick at, aside - annoyingly - from the Standard-3/Aegis based bit, which of course got its budget axed as a result) for either strategic or at best theatre defence.

It's not going to be overflying battlefields, blasting tanks. It's a 747, after all.
Actually, they fired the SHEL (surrogate high-energy laser) in addition to using the TILL.

The SHEL is described as:
"The surrogate high-energy laser will be representative of what the COIL is (and perform) in a manner that will prepare us for actually installing the COIL." - Dr. Roc White (a contract test director and test conductor for the Airborne Laser Combined Test Force)
Meaning it occupies the same physical volume and weight.

It's not capable of delivering power in relevant amounts for anything but Big Crow's target sensors.
And the same power requirements. Sometime this year COIl will get installed, then the first of the live fire tests in 08, then the first intercept test in 2009.

The wonderful people who made the M1A2 Abrams showed off the latest model this year at AUSA-Winter in Washington D.C.

I got a picture of it:

Note that it has three .50 caliber machine guns..

2 in CROWS and One on the barrel.
And it maintains it's 7.62mm machine gun.

The new M1A2 also comes with new stuff too.... improved crew survivability, improvements vs IEDs...