Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
Why does he have a rucksack on his head?
BF Evo, future weapons
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Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
Paladin said:Because it's almost as fun as playing with nukes.Sgt. Brassones said:
roll to see if you hit.
[rolls dice]
Oops I failed...
scatters from target [rolls dice] 100 meters north...
Oh look your guys are still in the area of effect...guess that means the game is over.
Yeah, but you don't need a model with SICON intel training to field it. Oh wait, wrong Evolution.
Aramanthus
Mongoose
That makes sense using something like that to protect the head from snipers at night!
Hiromoon said:
convention bans any weapon that is designed to cause injury, guns are designed to kill and injury is a byproduct of human error, but any weapon designed to cause injury, puts the operator liable for prosecution for torture on the battle feild.
so this weapon is effectivly banned, and the operator is comiting a war crime for using it as his his officer for instructing him to use it, any body above that, isnt liable unless its counteracting an order from further up the chain of command.
Actually, Mr. Evil, it's not banned.
Why?
See this:
In more than 10,000 exposures, there were six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, the documents claim.
And this:
The sensation immediately ceases when the individual moves out of the beam or when the beam is turned off. Despite the sensation, the beam does not cause injury because of the shallow penetration depth of energy at this wavelength and the low energy levels used. It exploits the human natural defense mechanism that induces pain as a warning to help protect from injury.
And furthermore:
Active Denial Technology uses a transmitter to send a tight beam of 95-Ghz millimeter waves; the energy reaches the subject and penetrates less than 1/64th of an inch into the skin. A two-second burst can heat the skin to a temperature of 130 degrees Fahrenheit. The sensation is like that experienced when touching an ordinary light bulb; the flesh does not burn, however, because of the low levels of energy used. Exposure of at least 250 seconds would be required before burns would result.
Now, unless there's something wrong with you, are you going to hold onto that lit light bulb after the first couple of seconds? 250 seconds translates roughly out to 3.5 minutes. 3 and a half minutes before a burn would result, and with 1000 exposures resulting in only blistering in six cases and 1 burn after an accident?
And since this is a non-leathal weapon designed for crowd control, and the way this weapon works, designed around a measured amount of pain, it is not in violation of Article 23 of the Hague Convention (IV). Heck, this weapon doesn't even violate the Geneva Protocol (Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare).
On the other hand:
Flamethrowers have not been part of the U.S. military arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally decided to end their use because of concerns that the public found them inhumane, though they are not specifically banned by any of the international treaties that the U.S. has signed.
The Geneva Conventions:
First Geneva Convention "for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field"
Second Geneva Convention "for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea"
Third Geneva Convention "relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War"
Fourth Geneva Convention "relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War"
Why?
See this:
In more than 10,000 exposures, there were six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, the documents claim.
And this:
The sensation immediately ceases when the individual moves out of the beam or when the beam is turned off. Despite the sensation, the beam does not cause injury because of the shallow penetration depth of energy at this wavelength and the low energy levels used. It exploits the human natural defense mechanism that induces pain as a warning to help protect from injury.
And furthermore:
Active Denial Technology uses a transmitter to send a tight beam of 95-Ghz millimeter waves; the energy reaches the subject and penetrates less than 1/64th of an inch into the skin. A two-second burst can heat the skin to a temperature of 130 degrees Fahrenheit. The sensation is like that experienced when touching an ordinary light bulb; the flesh does not burn, however, because of the low levels of energy used. Exposure of at least 250 seconds would be required before burns would result.
Now, unless there's something wrong with you, are you going to hold onto that lit light bulb after the first couple of seconds? 250 seconds translates roughly out to 3.5 minutes. 3 and a half minutes before a burn would result, and with 1000 exposures resulting in only blistering in six cases and 1 burn after an accident?
And since this is a non-leathal weapon designed for crowd control, and the way this weapon works, designed around a measured amount of pain, it is not in violation of Article 23 of the Hague Convention (IV). Heck, this weapon doesn't even violate the Geneva Protocol (Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare).
On the other hand:
Flamethrowers have not been part of the U.S. military arsenal since 1978, when the Department of Defense unilaterally decided to end their use because of concerns that the public found them inhumane, though they are not specifically banned by any of the international treaties that the U.S. has signed.
The Geneva Conventions:
First Geneva Convention "for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field"
Second Geneva Convention "for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea"
Third Geneva Convention "relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War"
Fourth Geneva Convention "relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War"
Hiromoon said:
At least I can choose when I let go of the lightbulb.... So how far does the person on crutches within the crowd have to hobble to get out of the beam, and would you trust an operator to turn it off after two seconds? What about all that metal jewellry that protesters like to insert into their body. 130 F is 54ºC. The technology works in practice I guess, and then the less then lethal aspect breaks down when you add someone to operate it.
I guess you miss the whole 3 and 1/2 minutes before burns results bit, Silvereye.
Also, what on earth is a person on crutches doing in a crowd that would require the use of one of these weapons?
Past that, an operator can be trained to used the tech effectively with limited injury, that's what testing is for. After they figure out the best time for use of the weapon on a crowd to encourage 'removal of one's self from the area', they can then tweak it. If you have metal in your body, wouldn't you be inclined to leave even faster?
Also, what on earth is a person on crutches doing in a crowd that would require the use of one of these weapons?
Past that, an operator can be trained to used the tech effectively with limited injury, that's what testing is for. After they figure out the best time for use of the weapon on a crowd to encourage 'removal of one's self from the area', they can then tweak it. If you have metal in your body, wouldn't you be inclined to leave even faster?
Lane Shutt
Mongoose
Only 130 degrees Fahrenheit?
I've been places where the air gets that hot, in fact the same places where we might need to use that technology.
I've been places where the air gets that hot, in fact the same places where we might need to use that technology.
why would america design such an item for crowd control ? thats against their own amendments of freedom to protest ?
its gone from a possable war crime to a civil liberties case and also a freedom of speech deterant ?
god bless america !!! lmfao.
the thing is what about the range of such a weapon ? if it projected for a mile, any body under the pain invloved would be unable to get out of the range ? and what if it was vehile mounted and persued retreating troops ? also as it involves the enemy getting away from the area of effect (for wich most will be unable to convey where that is from due to pain and concentration problems) also if it is micro waved base the ak47 ammo will be fine but american weapons would suffer problems and it would effect the susats.
like america described the cluster mines as a defensive mine against the eastern block, this weapon i can see being banned or found to be not worth the risk, i could be wrong.
its gone from a possable war crime to a civil liberties case and also a freedom of speech deterant ?
god bless america !!! lmfao.
the thing is what about the range of such a weapon ? if it projected for a mile, any body under the pain invloved would be unable to get out of the range ? and what if it was vehile mounted and persued retreating troops ? also as it involves the enemy getting away from the area of effect (for wich most will be unable to convey where that is from due to pain and concentration problems) also if it is micro waved base the ak47 ammo will be fine but american weapons would suffer problems and it would effect the susats.
like america described the cluster mines as a defensive mine against the eastern block, this weapon i can see being banned or found to be not worth the risk, i could be wrong.
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