Advice needed on fleet lists/set-up

[night owl]

I have decided that my current fleets, Vorlons and ISA, while fine and all are not the best for teaching people the game. I am considering some alternatives. I am looking at 'historical' match-ups. Unless otherwise stated this would be 5 point raid games.

Early EA vs Minbari
A small early era EA fleet vs a single Sharlin. This would only require a single war point of EA since I already have a Sharlin I bought to use with ISA but never actually used.

Narn vs Centauri.
This sems like a natural match-up. The war between these two was prominently shows in the series.

EA vs EA
Two EA fleets representing Clarks' guys vs those supporting Sheridan. Tha advantage here is that it would also give me a solid EA force.

EA/Clark vs EA + proto-ISA
EA vs a mix of EA with some White Stars. I am not sure this is precisely legal but it should work ok. One advantage is that i already have plenty of White Stars from my ISA fleet.

That's what I have come up with so far. I am not sure about fleet lists at this point. I could use some advice on that from people who have played these fleets more.

Vote for one or post a suggestion if you think of something clever I haven't thought of. No Vorlons/Shadows though. They have too many odd rules.

 

[Locutus9956]

er just a note youre poll options are bit buggered as youve put the first one as the question... (though I doubt anyone would vote for that anyway as it brings up a) stealth and b) the saggitarius which are both best kept away from beginners at first )

I voted Narn Centauri for the simple reason that they are the 'big enemies' of each other on the show and alot of the show especially early on revolves around them. Secondly I think theyre fairly well balanced (though theres a couple of 'problem ships' in each fleet I personally think people overreact rather alot, both lists are fine as they are imho unless you specifically set out to create the cheesiest centauri beam whore fleet possible )

I would suggest a good introduction: 3 Vorchans vs a G'Quan (with its fighters) Its a good iconic battle with a few ships from the shwo and the only even vaguely special rules you have to worry about is emines (and that rules is mindnumbly simple anyway!)

 

[G´berg]

agree

Narn and centauri are pretty standard. I learned the basics that way: a primus, two darkner and a maximus against a g´quan, two thentus and a ka´toc i think it was...
well that doesn´t fit the 5 points but it was what I got.

Also you must think of yourself, then it´s better to clash 2 human fleets so you will buy and paint one fleet instead of two decorations.

 

[night owl]

er just a note youre poll options are bit buggered as youve put the first one as the question... (though I doubt anyone would vote for that anyway as it brings up a) stealth and b) the saggitarius which are both best kept away from beginners at first )

It was the first thing I added but it isn't there now. I must have made a mistake somewhere. Too late to do anything about it now.

 

[Locutus9956]

Its there in the title above the polls, when creating a poll you must take not that what looks like the first option line is in fact the poll question (this is a SEPERATE field to the normal thread title )

 

[Burger]

Its there in the title above the polls, when creating a poll you must take not that what looks like the first option line is in fact the poll question (this is a SEPERATE field to the normal thread title )

You'd know all about creating polls wouldn't you Locutus

 

[night owl]

Also you must think of yourself, then it´s better to clash 2 human fleets so you will buy and paint one fleet instead of two decorations.

It would not be all a loss. I could still use the Narn and Centauri as raid level fleets and maybe build them bigger later on sometime. I play most games at that level anyway.

 

[night owl]

Its there in the title above the polls, when creating a poll you must take not that what looks like the first option line is in fact the poll question (this is a SEPERATE field to the normal thread title )

Oh well. The vote is going 100% for Narn v Centauri anyway so far.

 

[Locutus9956]

Its there in the title above the polls, when creating a poll you must take not that what looks like the first option line is in fact the poll question (this is a SEPERATE field to the normal thread title )

You'd know all about creating polls wouldn't you Locutus

Who me? I wouldn't know anything about that... :roll:

 

[Rynar]

Narn or centauri VS EA at 5 raid is also a very good way to teach ACTA.

8)

 

[night owl]

What about fleet lists? I don't know the Narn or Centauri fleets very well.

I am thinking about basing each fleet aruond the signatures cruisers seen in the show. A Primus for the Centauri and a G'Quan for the Narn. I am not sure what else to get.

The Vorchan is an obvious choice for the Centauri since they appear in the show several times. That would require six of the things. Perhaps another option?

I don't know about the Narn. They seem a bit lean on raid level choices. They have lots of skirmish level choices but I am not familiar with them.

I am looking for a very concrete sort of information. x of these and y of those.

 

[night owl]

Narn or centauri VS EA at 5 raid is also a very good way to teach ACTA.

8)

I am sure that is correct but I am thinking more of 'historic' match-ups and mainly match-ups that were protrayed on-screen in the show or movies.

 

[Abraxas]

Well, for Centauri:

1 Primus (2 FAP)
2 Vorchans (1FAP)
1 Vorchan & 2 Covrans (1 FAP)
1 Centaurian (1 FAP)

This list introduces them to the standard fleet as well as scouts for increased tactical flexibility. It uses elements of each PL as well as a multitude of strategies in which to deploy the fleet.

I am not a leading expert on Narn (or Centauri for that matter) so you may have to wait for better replies.

 

[LordClinto]

Go for Narn vs Centauri historical.

I tried teaching two friends using a3pt raid Early EA vs. Centauri and each time the person using the EA had a supreme advantage. Yeah the Centauri are quick but the EA ships were tough, nearly all had fighters and interceptors. Big difference.

 

[night owl]

Well, for Centauri:

1 Primus (2 FAP)
2 Vorchans (1FAP)
1 Vorchan & 2 Covrans (1 FAP)
1 Centaurian (1 FAP)

This list introduces them to the standard fleet as well as scouts for increased tactical flexibility. It uses elements of each PL as well as a multitude of strategies in which to deploy the fleet.

I am not a leading expert on Narn (or Centauri for that matter) so you may have to wait for better replies.

I guess I could just mirror this

1 G'Quan
2 G'Karith
1 G'Karith & 1 Sho'Kar
1 Rongoth

It's almost a mirror except that the only Narn scout I see is 1 PL higher than the Centauri one.

 

[Locutus9956]

Go for Narn vs Centauri historical.

I tried teaching two friends using a3pt raid Early EA vs. Centauri and each time the person using the EA had a supreme advantage. Yeah the Centauri are quick but the EA ships were tough, nearly all had fighters and interceptors. Big difference.

Does this early EA, perchance invovle Saggitariuses.... cos if so I think I can tell you where the surpreme advantage is comming from The thing with the centauri is that whilst they have some excellent ships and are, overall a very nasty fleet, they also have some really turkeys in there too. Demos for example (some pople say the Vorchan too sucks but Im rather fond of it actually) At 3 points of raid you get 6 of them too which is actually alot of firepower and whats more the damn things can actually OUTRUN EA fighters well except for one turn when they hit the burners...)

 

[Slightly Norse John]

This is all IMHO, but...
Centauri vs. Narn- I have never won as the Narn, and never lost as the Centauri. Sample size of 30 or so. The only time I even came close was in a Battle-3 four way alliance game, me and EA versus Narn and Minbari. Of course, that's ruthlessly exploiting every shiny thing possible in the Centauri list, Prefects and Salust and Tertius everywhere, but I would not reckon this as a fair fight and good learning experience.
Against other races I do fairly well as Narn, it's not that.
I went for EA vs EA, because some of the most knife-edge games have been scenes from the civil war. For tension, tactical twists, swaying of advantage, and in general a good close hard fight, they're probably the best to start with. Same era list, though.