roughneck GIR
Mongoose
ROFL! :lol:Lieutenant Rasczak said:
but I needed them to film the hoppers
Abandon Ship
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but I needed them to film the hoppers
Major Chaos
Mongoose
ScipioAmericanus said:
Amen Scipio.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
Major Chaos said:
Not always the case though is it (unless you are the sort of cynical individual who always looks for the downside).
roughneck GIR
Mongoose
I walk to school and back up hill, both ways :lol:Lieutenant Rasczak said:
Good to hear you still are appearing here in the forum still scipio
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Hey, Rico, what is that cool Fire Team Tango thing all about??
roughneck GIR
Mongoose
It's part of a video game I'm making, the unit your(as the character) is part of Fire team Tango, the guy the player plays as is the one with the brown hair and red bandana, the game is a side scrolling game that mixes elements from DooM3, AvP2, and whatever other twisted things my mind can come up with :lol: . At some point I'll get around to changing the pic to show off some other enemies, characters, and NPCs anyhoo back on topic, PM me if you want some more info...The Old Soldier said:
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
But it is put together with Metal Slug Sprites isn't it?
Just wanna check that my computer game recognition still works...
Scipio's spoken a lot of sense by the way!
Just wanna check that my computer game recognition still works...
Scipio's spoken a lot of sense by the way!
I don't really plan on getting rid of my stuff because of the new rules or pre-painted stuff coming out.
1) The rules will be compatible with the old models, so I don't see my models getting obsolete.
2) New prepainted stuff dosn't make my stuff any less valuable to me. I don't think any of the prepainted stuff will be up to the caliber I prefer in my models. Furthermore, since I painted my models my way, they won't look exactly the same as everyone who's been buying prepainted ones.
Personally I think it's crazy that people are dumping their stuff off just because of this change.
Even though I'm not dumping my stuff, I'm really holding back on buying any more. I currently have over 3000 points for a bug army, over 3000 points for a CAP Trooper army, a fairly decent sized LAMI and Pathfinder Army as well. So I really don't need alot more. I've been burned too many times on bad quality parts and am still waiting on acceptable replacement parts. I'd like to finish the models I currently have, but am held up over replacement parts. That's why I haven't even bothered with an Exo-Suit army. Given all the issues I've heard, I'm really cosidering a Pig Iron Warbot to use instead of a CHAS.
1) The rules will be compatible with the old models, so I don't see my models getting obsolete.
2) New prepainted stuff dosn't make my stuff any less valuable to me. I don't think any of the prepainted stuff will be up to the caliber I prefer in my models. Furthermore, since I painted my models my way, they won't look exactly the same as everyone who's been buying prepainted ones.
Personally I think it's crazy that people are dumping their stuff off just because of this change.
Even though I'm not dumping my stuff, I'm really holding back on buying any more. I currently have over 3000 points for a bug army, over 3000 points for a CAP Trooper army, a fairly decent sized LAMI and Pathfinder Army as well. So I really don't need alot more. I've been burned too many times on bad quality parts and am still waiting on acceptable replacement parts. I'd like to finish the models I currently have, but am held up over replacement parts. That's why I haven't even bothered with an Exo-Suit army. Given all the issues I've heard, I'm really cosidering a Pig Iron Warbot to use instead of a CHAS.
Dr. Rooster
Mongoose
Well I'm holding off untill the new models come out. I'm quite content with my collection right now.
As far as the Forth go, I'll wait till' later... :?
As far as the Forth go, I'll wait till' later... :?
roughneck GIR
Mongoose
Well yes, I based them off them, except for the black aliens, I made those all the way, the game isn't for profit, its totally downloadable, but fun none the less :lol:MaxSteiner said:
ScipioAmericanus
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
Hi LT!
No, I agree, it's certainly not always the case. However, my business background (including being the president of a company) probably makes me a little more cynical than most based upon a lot of experience. I know manufacturing, sub-contract manufacturing, marketing, and supply chain issues, since I lived and breathed them for many years. I also know that the loyalty and satisfaction of customers and the distribution chain is not something to trifle with. My company was ISO9001 certified, and I held all of my suppliers to the same standards: new suppliers, after initial qualification were given no more than two years to become ISO certified as well. Prior to that, I designed production lines and production processes, and built two factories as a manufacturing engineer.
One of those factories did precision injection moulding for aerospace applications. Even with insanely, incredibly tight tolerances mould lines were still an issue and required a production step to remove. Unless the technology has advanced by light years in the ten plus years since then, I just have a hard time believing that the new figs will be of the stratospheric quality that many people assume. In fact, look closely at one of the pics of the LAMI troopers (specifically at the junction of the hand and sleeve): flash.
Please don't think I'm being negative just to be negative! I concentrated on SST since the release, and no one would be happier than I if it became a smashing success!!!! In fact, I would love to be able to say someday "Guys, I was wrong."
I just think (MY opinion) that expectations seem to be running a little too high, and I would hate to see any more devoted fans disappointed...again.
Regards.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
ScipioAmericanus said:
I think you are a little off the ball there, if you read through the posts there are probably more negative opinions and ideas floating around than positive.
As a Businessman you must also be aware of how difficult things are for any company (and thats without producing a licensed product and the hassles that would entail) to actually get products out there for sale.
Mongoose are still a young company, if you actually look at what they HAVE achieved compared to the things that haven't gone to plan - its pretty impressive.
@Scipio
Good to see you. I would not say 'moron' etc, because you have a fair point made, and were not a butt-head like some people.
I totally agree with you on msprange's somewhat contradicting statement about quality and the market.
The only way I can explain it goes back to that 'origins of a mongoose article' if you have read it. They could have been stuck and have nothing else to do, and rather fall flat on their faces, simply land on their knees.
It still does boggle the mind if they were not up to standard and they went ahead and made hundreds, if not thousands of miniatures regardless.
Good to see you dude!
Good to see you. I would not say 'moron' etc, because you have a fair point made, and were not a butt-head like some people.
I totally agree with you on msprange's somewhat contradicting statement about quality and the market.
The only way I can explain it goes back to that 'origins of a mongoose article' if you have read it. They could have been stuck and have nothing else to do, and rather fall flat on their faces, simply land on their knees.
It still does boggle the mind if they were not up to standard and they went ahead and made hundreds, if not thousands of miniatures regardless.
Good to see you dude!
bunkerboi
Mongoose
In my opinion there's a middle ground between Scip & Lt.R about how Mongoose should be managing expectations of the new models and game. Saying it's going to be the best thing since 'x' sets a high standard that everyone is latching onto and MGP has done this before and fallen short for whatever reason. On top of that 8 months is a long time for peoples visions to diverge quite significantly from Mongoose' planned reality.
Scipio, your background is industry, but as you know ten years in any technology can be an eternity.
What was not possible ten years may very well be possible now.
In lead alloys I have cast bullets without mold lines for years. the tolerances are in the mold manufacturing end of the business (die cutting).
Not only were there no mold lines but I segregated my bullets by weight, my normal tolerance was 1/10th of a grain, @ 7,000 grains per pound that is 1/70,000th pound. The bullets would be segregated in .2 grain groups at a max, including lubricant etc. I sized my bullets using through swaging to arrive at specific bullet diameters to the 1/1000th of an inch to fit the bullet to the exact bore diameter of the specific firearm in question.
All of this was an aid in increasing accuracy, of the firearm.
This in a home environment, not a high-tech environment.
If I had desired tighter tolerance I would have gone to swaging operations, which are capable of producing these tighter tolerances with very little training.
Personally I think the whole issue of possible quality is a waste of breathe until we actually see the production figures, paintjobs, sculpt qualities at first hand.
It has been discussed to death with no real results,either good or bad as it is all conjecture.
What was not possible ten years may very well be possible now.
In lead alloys I have cast bullets without mold lines for years. the tolerances are in the mold manufacturing end of the business (die cutting).
Not only were there no mold lines but I segregated my bullets by weight, my normal tolerance was 1/10th of a grain, @ 7,000 grains per pound that is 1/70,000th pound. The bullets would be segregated in .2 grain groups at a max, including lubricant etc. I sized my bullets using through swaging to arrive at specific bullet diameters to the 1/1000th of an inch to fit the bullet to the exact bore diameter of the specific firearm in question.
All of this was an aid in increasing accuracy, of the firearm.
This in a home environment, not a high-tech environment.
If I had desired tighter tolerance I would have gone to swaging operations, which are capable of producing these tighter tolerances with very little training.
Personally I think the whole issue of possible quality is a waste of breathe until we actually see the production figures, paintjobs, sculpt qualities at first hand.
It has been discussed to death with no real results,either good or bad as it is all conjecture.
ScipioAmericanus
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
Lt:
No arguments, and I certainly will give credit where it is due: MGP HAVE done well for a "young" company, but unfortunately, in the "high profile" products, they have done...well...not so well. It's one thing to get a license: it's quite another to do it justice.
I'm well aware of the licensing issues (that is why I could never do decals for SST on my own), as well as the difficulties involved in getting to market: I took my company from an obscure start-up to a showcase company for IBM (they even flew a photographer down to do a spread on us for a major publication, and we were featured prominently on the IBM web site and in their video advertising).
Anything worth doing...is worth doing well. The FIRST time.
In my Army career, my business career, and now in my military education career there is one common philosophy: do it right the first time and strive always for absolute perfection.
That philosophy made me a successful Army officer, it made me wealthy in business, and ultimately enabled me to do what I've always wanted to do: mentor young people.
In these days of dumbing-down and pandering to the lowest common denominator, the drive for excellence seems out of fashion and not "politically correct." Mediocre seems to be the norm. Shoddy products are just one example. If we excuse them and say "but look at the good stuff" or "this time we'll get it right, we promise" then we loose sight of what it's all about: it should ALL be good stuff!
ANY company with a true focus on excellence knows all this a priori.
Business actually isn't that hard. Keep in mind the 4 "p's" and you will hardly ever go wrong.
Regards.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
Mage said:
Tinned, Frozen, in the Toilet, and Letters - the four P's.
