Two aspects of Darrian history that always kind of bugged me

A very long, yet somewhat humorous post follows...

rust said:
In Germany the measures to ensure long term data protection include a bunker in a former mine where currently about 28,000 km of microfilms with together about 850,000,000 pictures are stored, everything from our cultural heritage to entire technical libraries. I have no doubt that several of our neighbouring nations have established similar protected long term archives which are designed to survive a major nuclear war.
Just for fun, how about this for a doomsday scenario set 20 years in the future... ;)

An expectantly large CME strikes the Earth, rivalling or superseding the Carrington event. With only a few hours advanced notice, the space weather astronomers completely fail to convince western governments that a disaster is about to occur, and little or no preparation happens.

90+% of the satellites fail, the planet's power grids surge, and about 300 main transformers in the US are irrevocably damaged, cutting off electricity to 130 million, without even considering the damage to power lines themselves. With no immediate ability to replace that number of bespoke transformers, the extended blackout could last months. In nations with significant economic disparity amongst the population, some social breakdown occurs (c.f. 1977 New York).

With solid state microcircuits failing at a mere 5 kV/m or less, almost all electronic equipment fails. Computers, air conditioners, fridges, phones, etc. In Northern Scandinavia, thousands die from hypothermia as their central heating ceases to function.

Transportation infrastructure collapses. There are few functioning vehicles. The train system is paralysed, the engines and navigation systems of ships are destroyed and planes (those which didn't fall out of the sky) are right out since the funding for aviation NDB's was considered redundant by national governments - not that any pilot still knows how to use them.

Within a week, with automated sewage systems no longer working and no refrigeration, dysentry and cholera spread like wildfire, fatalities exceeding 20% due to the lack of clean drinking water. As there is no possible method of food transportation to supply overcrowded urban centres, survivors start dying from the follow up starvation.

Every first world nation clamours for replacement chips for their vital equipment. But there aren't any. No stores were laid aside in EMP-proof warehouses, and the machines to manufacture such items were themselves crippled. There is no way to build any intermediary piece of equipment without literally returning to square one, and building a sequence of tools to build slightly more complicated tools, to build machines to purify a substance, etch a line, manufacture the acid, melt the metals, and so on. In most cases, the knowledge of how to build such equipment has been lost with the elder generation. Even building a basic electronics-free model-T Ford is beyond most folks since the ability to mill metal (if any basic lathes remain), create the right steel by hand, and make and bend piping are all lost skills.

The Germans, believing themselves well prepared for such a disaster immediately order their Information Archive to be opened. However, there are only a handful of VW Beatles still remaining after EU legislation hiked road taxes to unaffordable levels for non-green vehicles. What pre-EMS cars remain are forcibly requisitioned by the government. Eventually though, an official arrives by bicycle. Unfortunately when he gets there, the lifts down into the mine are no longer working. Although there is an on-site generator, the elevator's electronics have fried, and a 2km descent by rope-ladder is deemed infeasible.

Eventually the government finds an army electrical engineer, pulls him off the urgent repairs to the electricity grid and he comes up with a jury-rigged bypass. Lift now working the records can now be accessed. However, the microfilms can only be read on special albeit low-tech readers, and there are only 20 of the machines available in the archive. All the machines formerly distributed throughout the nation's bureaucratic offices have long since been thrown away. Having set up a bicycle message system with Berlin, the flood of technical requests swamp the staff and handful of machines, and since information needs to be copied by hand, vital information becomes bottle-necked. Paper supplies begin to run short. Toilet paper becomes worth its weight in gold.

Worse still, due to age and overuse, the bulbs for the readers begin to fail. But since incandescent bulbs were banned 20 years earlier, there are no spares available. The government immediately orders new bulbs be made, but there's no machinery to make such things anymore, and nobody alive has the skill of blowing glass. Then there's the fact that Tungsten is in short supply, no imports of the metal have arrived for months due to the lack of working ships, and Germany has no tungsten refinery of its own. A team of medieval re-enactors are given the task of mining, refining and hand drawing tungsten wire. Unknown to everyone, the Data Archive builds up high levels of condensation which begins to damage the microfile stores and the lower mine levels flood because nobody remembered about the dehumidifying and pumping systems which haven't worked since the CME.

In an ironic twist the UK falls into civil war, Scotland and Wales seizing the chance to claim full independence and charging England vast sums in food and equipment for electrical power from their still functional nuclear power stations. Coal and gas stations standing idle for want of fuel. Iceland, sitting pretty on its natural geothermal resources makes an economic killing by forging simple screwdrivers to replace the ubiquitous powertools which have replaced hand tools across Europe. Sweden and Finland race to see who can rebuild their manufacturing base first, a golden opportunity awaiting whomever can corner the increasingly desperate toilet paper market.

Global obesity plunges now that everyone has to walk everywhere, placed on the ten year waiting list for a new car. Adults have to be taught how to use maps now that GPS phones don't work. Children moan over practising how to use toothbrushes at school, no muscle memory for using them since growing up with electric toothbrushes. ;)

Actually this sounds like a fun one-shot scenario to use on Loz... :D

Silliness aside, the global loss of electronics could be extremely serious. Preserving the information is one thing, but unless you specifically preserve intermediary levels of infrastructure as well, most of that knowledge is going to be near useless or indeed inaccessible, until you can rebuild to a critical point.

What are the chances of a world wide series of HEMP? Currently negligible, but as orbital access improves and nuclear tech spreads, the chances for a strategic take-down of hi-tech societies will gradually increase. I'm sure it won't take terrorists long to come up with a plan to hijack a suborbital craft, say a Virgin flight launched from northern Sweden with a Russian or Pakistani nuke aboard and take out a chunk of northern Europe with a single bomb.

What are the chances of another Carrington event or even something larger? Guaranteed actually. It is just a matter of when it will happen and whether we have hardened all of our vital infrastructure by then. At the moment though, few governments seem willing to maintain the expense of doing so.

To protect both the cultural heritage and the technical and cientific know-ledge of any culture in such a way seems so obviously necessary and prudent that I would find it very difficult to imagine that all Darrian colonies should have ignored it or somehow lost their long term archives - which is why I really doubt that any EMP, no matter how strong, could wipe out the technology of a civilization.
Well they probably did have some plans in place, but we taken by surprise by the scale of the destruction. Nobody expected the entire world to be taken out. Since then the post-Maghiz Darrians certainly learned their lesson and are almost paranoid about independent colonies, knowledge caches, fall back TL manufacturing infrastructure and over-engineered EMP resilience.

Unfortunately until you suffer a disaster, expediency and, as BP rightly observed, greed will undermine contingency planning and redundancy. Why was there no Indian Ocean tsunami warning system until after 2004 when the US had maintained one in the Pacific from the 40's? Why is there no significant investment in NEO object identification and the defection systems needed to divert a potential collision? Why are so many national nuclear bomb shelters no longer maintained, instead being sold off to property developers? Why do people continue to live on the slopes of Vesuvius or the San Andreas fault? :D

Although we can technically conceive of possible disasters, risk analysis suggests the likelihood to be small. So humanity plays the odds but then always acts surprised when that once in a millennia event finally occurs. We're great at shooting ourselves in the foot!
 
Re us today and an EMP impact.

Numerous people in assorted space agencies have looked into this and the answers have not been good. Not in terms of surviving as humaniti but in terms of the shock to our way of life and tech base.

The "Carrington effect" named after the scientist who first documented the effect in 1859 is a massive shockwave effect from a solar flare. The EMP effect from this flare in 1859 knocked out telegraph operators as electrical surges down the copper wires hit them.

In our modern world aside from taking out many unshielded computers, dropping the entire phone network using copper wires (thats most of it here in the uk as fibre optic is still limited in scale), taking out the power grid (all those overhead power cables), broadcasting static over many frequencies cutting comms, no water as the pumps die, no gas as the pumps die, etc etc. Instant stone age.

Repairing a lot of the computers and such like isn't that hard as most of a computer isn't hurt by emp, new motherboard and drive, reload from backup discs (you do have a backup don't you) and you are away.

Well you would be apart from a few problems. No power for one. Transformers are big expensive and slow to make. Current world production would take a decade to replace just the first world units who would be offering the most money. Of course you first have to repair the transformer making factories and get them power. A decade with no power to pump water and gas, no lights, hospitals trying to deal with massive numbers of injuries from the flare on generators with great problems getting more fuel.

What happens in a decade with limited or no electricity to large parts of the world. Economic collapse as trade goes, massive starvation, disease, war over limited resources like the factories to rebuild the power grids. A generation of children being schooled in a way Victorian teachers would recognise. Manufacturing stopped except for critical needs, a decade with few if any new cars built as trucks for transport become the priority.

An extinction event, no. A massive shock, yes. In many ways the aftermath will be far more dangerous than the events of the flare itself and you could in effect have a decade of victorian tech level with places recovering quickly to 1930s then more slowly back to current tech but the impact of such an event would last for generations.
 
Dammit. There I am typing out a long reply to the posts and someone who will remain nameless (Mr Pete) :twisted: sneaks in with his big post and covers a lot of my points.
Queue jumper :D :P :D
 
Captain Jonah said:
Dammit. There I am typing out a long reply to the posts and someone who will remain nameless (Mr Pete) :twisted: sneaks in with his big post and covers a lot of my points.
Queue jumper :D :P :D
Opps! :D
 
Take solace that yours was a short and succinct reply and mine a sprawling ramble. Once my imagination kicked in, I couldn't stop myself. :wink:
 
The situation that MongPete ( :P ) and CaptJonah outlined would make a good backstory for the new Mongoose 2300 AD. Or a good alternate Twilight 2013/T2K.
 
Mongoose Pete said:
What are the chances of another Carrington event or even something larger? Guaranteed actually. It is just a matter of when it will happen and whether we have hardened all of our vital infrastructure by then. At the moment though, few governments seem willing to maintain the expense of doing so.
I somewhat doubt this. :D

We have a high level government commission, the so called "Schutzkom-
mission" (= protection commission), which has the task to develop the ne-
cessary measures to reduce the impact of desasters, including a Carring-
ton Event, and thanks to the work of this and similar institutions most of
our vital infrastructure is protected, either directly or through protected
storage areas for the required spare parts. I know that at least some of
our neighbouring countries have similar precautions.

So, yes, a Carrington Even would be a major desaster - but not on the
scale you imagine. :wink:
 
In AM8, there were references to a "Pulse Day". IIRC, as the wavefront spread from the Darrian home system at lightspeed, systems further away had somehow been notified, had time to prepare, hardening, shutting down equipment and whatnot.

From the map,
Systems up to two parsecs away had
"destruction of virtually all electronics and gravities modules"
Systems up to four parsecs away had
"destruction of a large proportion of electronics and gravities modules"
Systems up to six parsecs away merely had
"disruption of communications and computing"

If you take into account three things
1.The wavefront moved at lightspeed
2.No known detection equipment the Traveller universe, for mere humans anyways, works at sensing information at faster than light speed. If there were one, it could form the basis of FTL communication systems besides jump courier.
3.Darrian colonies had time to prepare for "Pulse Day"

This would imply a few things
A.Since the wavefront moved at lightspeed, Darrian colonies had YEARS to prepare for the event (3.26 standard years or so per parsec away from Darrian) and still their systems got toasted as describe above

B.You could jump thru the wavefront, else how would you know about the Maghiz until light from the event hits your detection equipment? Someone must have jumped back to Darrian to see, or there was "one" lucky ship that jumped out in time to warn everyone else

C.Grav modules operate on principles that allow "flares" to fry them.

D.The effect is at least 7 freaking hexes in radius (counting Darrian itself)!
 
Somebody said:
+ If a Carrington event is bad, what would a Ewing event do ?
A Ewing Event has something to do with a miraculous ressurection in a
shower ... I think there were rumours about such an event involving Em-
peror Strephon ...
 
rust said:
A Ewing Event has something to do with a miraculous ressurection in ashower ... I think there were rumours about such an event involving Emperor Strephon ...

ROFL :lol: .

Don't do that when I'm drinking tea Rust, my girlfriend gets annoyed when I have to clean it off her laptop :D .
 
rust said:
[So, yes, a Carrington Even would be a major desaster - but not on the scale you imagine. :wink:
These were a couple of the documents I read as part of my research for Darrians.

Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack
Solar Storm Threat Analysis

Although a little repetitive they gave me a much greater appreciation for infrastructure collapse. If you like reading technical reports they make interesting bedtime reading, and you can see where my misinformation came from... :)
 
Mongoose Pete said:
Although a little repetitive they gave me a much greater appreciation for infrastructure collapse. If you like reading technical reports they make interesting bedtime reading, and you can see where my misinformation came from... :)
Oh, I do not consider it misinformation, just generalization of the specific
situation in the USA, which as far as I know is not identical to the situati-
on in Europe or Japan.

Just think of the power grid in the USA, which is at least a generation be-
hind that in western Europe, or the fact that the entire core of western Eu-
rope's communication network consists of optical cables - Germany alo-
ne has about 340,000 km of them. ... :wink:
 
Yep - BTW: Europe's power infrastructure involves short grid runs as well - making inherently less susceptible to geomagnetic storm damage... (but, then there is China... ;) ). Also the central and southern part of the U.S. is a lot less susceptible as well.

Briefly glanced at the fund raiser brief, er, first report <grin> - having just finished a major overhaul of a poorly implemented SCADA system, I found the first chapter rather humorous (the data was woefully dated). Always question such reports with slick front graphics and a whole list of Dr. so and so 'sources'. ;)

Now I'm a major doom and gloom kinda fellow - but much of this kinda stuff is just cheesy drama. Putting true damage in perspective is completely missed. Look into the large scale 'disasters' of the last hundred years which have resulted in large scale 'infrastructure breakdowns'. Count the actual casualties and recovery times.

BTW: suspect the greatest casualties haven't come from natural disasters at all - rather starvation, induced by poor policies, cars, cigarettes, drugs and wars - probably in that order ;)

Don't get me wrong - such large scale events can be quite useful to explain dramatic cultural, political and technological changes (switch to dispersed power systems and optical logic) - but reverting back to the stone age or species extinction just doesn't play out with this one.

Now mess with the oxygen, sunlight or biosphere - there you'd have something!
 
Maybe I come from an unusual family and group of friends. I know blacksmiths, gunmakers, tool makers, and a few other craftmen. All of them have both new and old tools, the tool maker has a full last century, belt driven from overhead shaft workshop, and his sons work there too.

The gunmaker specializes in flintlock and caplock accurate rifles made with tools no newer than what was available in 1855.

I've got alot of unpowered tools, I suspect that is very common across the US. Getting cars running wouldn't be that hard even with EMP, the biggest risk is the batteries.

You would be shocked I expect to see some of the still used old tech out in the farming communities.

All I would need to get my car going if the battery survived is swap an uncomputerized carb and distributer, and off I go.
 
A simple wire can often do the trick ;)

'Course, this requires some knowledge that is somewhat rare. But in a catastrophe it is amazing what comes out in terms of help and what we can actually live without...

(P.S. - the batteries should, by and large, be ok - otherwise the event would be large enough to cause higher priority biological damage.)
 
Another point would be that much of Europe's previously agrarian regions
have been turned into parklands, reservations and thelike to reduce the
surplus production and stabilize the prices. It would take comparatively
few efforts to double the size of the cultivated areas, although the me-
thods of cultivation would have to become more primitive for a while.

At least in the region where I live there are nowadays a lot more horses
than cows or other livestock (people are willing to pay a lot more for an
hour on a horse than for a few liters of milk ...), so at least a base of ani-
mal power and animal transport would be available, too.

As for skills and tools, almost every village here has its yearly historical
festival where the craftsmen demonstrate how things were done in the
old days, so each village would have at least one blacksmith, stonemason,
carpenter, basket maker, and so on, who has the basic skills and the ne-
cessary tools to work on a low tech level.
 
rust said:
...to work on a low tech level.

Low tech really isn't the problem though - it's the intermediate techs between the high tech society has now, and the low tech it may be forced to use. The larger the disparity between that, the harder full recovery becomes.

I see this in my own field of electronics. Electronics schools have pretty much stopped teaching vacuum tubes. I was one of the last students to go through my electronics school programs where vacuum tubes were taught, and that was nearly 30 years ago.

Except in very specialized uses, vacuum tubes aren't used any more, no need to teach technicians how to deal with them. The last large scale use of vacuum tubes was Cathode Ray Tubes, for TVs. They're quickly going the way of the dodo bird in favor of LCD, LED and Plasma flat screens.

But vacuum tubes are one of those intermediate techs that can be created using low tech methods. Same can be said for wire wound resistors, and a couple other base electronic components.

Right now there are still enough people like myself who understand the older electronics technologies that recovery wouldn't be that hard. But 30 years from now, that may not be the case.
 
kristof65 said:
Low tech really isn't the problem though - it's the intermediate techs between the high tech society has now, and the low tech it may be forced to use. The larger the disparity between that, the harder full recovery becomes.
I suspect that it would be easier to skip the intermediate tech and move
right to the high tech. For example, I am not convinced that vacuum tu-
bes would be necessary to produce replacements for the electronics de-
stroyed by an EMP.
 
There is some interesting discussion about the Maghiz and the event that would have caused it here:

http://www.sfrpg.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1293
 
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