Traveller: Mirror Universe

Tom Kalbfus

Mongoose
An idea of what this would be like. Imagine an Imperium that was more like classical Rome with a cruel Emperor sitting on the Iridium Throne, with bread and circuses, and of course the Arena. Then there are the slaves, gladiators and rebels. Any other ideas?
 
If we're wanting a much more cruel and pitiless Imperium....

1 - You need the ability to apply much more brutal oppression to keep the planets in line. You'll see much more evidence of the Imperial Fleet and Imperial Marines

2 - Local nobility is still necessary - due to the limitations of Jump tech - but you want to restrain their ambitions. Hence System and Sub-sector fleets would be drastically reduced in favour of adding light combatants to do the same role to the Imperial Fleet. The local governor and local admiralty would all be imperial appointees and there would be a deliberate sharing of power between them.

3 - There would be far less case of 'autonomous protectorates' with a 'startown' as the only imperial territory. You are part of the Imperium, deal with it or we bomb you from orbit. Hence, whilst there may be dramatic variations in planetary TL, the law level will be pretty much universal.

4 - If slavery is a big part of the imperium, the obvious question is why and for what; bulk manpower ropes-and-whips only makes sense in situations where higher TL solutions aren't practical - most of the time grav tech, robotics and automation is a better plan. You might nevertheless see a sizeable proportion of the workforce be indentured, even if they're in skilled jobs (although they're likely to be better treated as they represent more of an investment by their owners).

5 - The arena is always good for a laugh. Specifically, the aspect I can see getting amped up is the Bestiarii - after all, a thousand worlds gives you so many more options for awesome predatory species to fight.

6 - Shield/Force Field Tech. Take a leaf out of the Dune Series - if you want to have armies clashing with swords more, then plasma/bullet resistant shields and force fields are a good plot device for forcing armies to engage in close-quarter action.

7 - Taxes. The point of a cruel empire is for the Homeland/capital to extract significant wealth from the territories. Hence tributes & taxes will be a big thing, and the job of acquiring them would fall to the marines plus whatever tax collection authority the Emperor maintains.

8 - TL Restrictions. The biggest departure from Traveller would come if the Imperium actively restricts anyone from getting high TL stuff - now this does happen a bit, but it's generally that TL12-13 stuff is the commercial ships whilst navy warships are TL14-15. If you push things down a lot such that you essentially have most worlds as classical era TL2 with only Imperial Authority having more, then essentially you end up with a universe which sort of resembles that from Stargate SG1, albeit with a roman rather than egyptian feel; the Governor's Palace, Legion Barracks and Port would be massive, high TL imposing structures designed to impress and terrify the indigenous populace.
 
The problem with TL restrictions is that it hinders industrial development and trade, the lifeblood of the Imperium.

A larger Secret Service keeping an eye on dual use technologies and no weapons development of any sort without an Imperial Charter.
 
Don't need much of a mirror, just have the imperials do the "roman salute"; in the OTU, the imperium comes off as fascist, though plenty try to make it foo-foo bunny afterwards. I mean, cowing subject populations with military force? Troops kidnapping children for vivisection? People being held incognito in prison? Who elected Strephon Emperor anyways? Oh right ...
 
dragoner said:
Don't need much of a mirror, just have the imperials do the "roman salute"; in the OTU, the imperium comes off as fascist, though plenty try to make it foo-foo bunny afterwards. I mean, cowing subject populations with military force? Troops kidnapping children for vivisection? People being held incognito in prison? Who elected Strephon Emperor anyways? Oh right ...

What if this evil Imperium was a direct descendent of a victorious Third Reich? Probably most of the original Nazi ideology would have morphed into something else by the time of the Classic Traveller Era. There would likely be no more Jews to persecute or exterminate by this time. Maybe some secret societies. The Psionic Institute may be part of the Resistance. As the Empire expanded from Earth the outer colonies would probably become more independent from the center, a sort of interstellar feudalism may develop from this. Also many of the Alien human societies, such as the Zhodani and the Darrians would form core elements of the resistance. Also a few time capsules are unearthed, a secret society called the "Sons of Liberty". And perhaps some interactions from the Normal Traveller Universe, with visitors from that Universe trying to influence some events here. The Evil Imperium might also have their own agents at work in the normal Universe as well.
 
Unless they've evolved their racial policies, the National Socialists are rather likely to peonize or genocide every non-Solomani sophont, possibly every non-Aryan, they encounter.
 
Condottiere said:
Unless they've evolved their racial policies, the National Socialists are rather likely to peonize or genocide every non-Solomani sophont, possibly every non-Aryan, they encounter.
Isn't that sort of like the Galactic Empire in Star Wars? They have their own Storm troopers after all.
 
Tom Kalbfus said:
An idea of what this would be like. Imagine an Imperium that was more like classical Rome with a cruel Emperor sitting on the Iridium Throne, with bread and circuses, and of course the Arena. Then there are the slaves, gladiators and rebels. Any other ideas?

It's important to remember that Rome did not just do terrible things, it also did great things. It's this combination of great and terrible acts, some of the greatest strivings of humanity combined with of the most amazingly ruthless things that makes Rome have an allure to Western Civilization to this day.

Now you can combine the Roman Empire with the Vilani Empire for something pretty unique. Like an ancient empire, thousands of years old, based on ancient, seemingly unchanging tradition, Vilani castes, technological advancement slowed outside of the military, and so on.

Slavery. If you don't think slavery works in the far future, you need to think just a slight bit more outside of the box. For instance, the Imperium doesn't consider intelligent machines to be sophonts - eg; they're not accorded civil rights but are treated as things. Perhaps as a method to make humans relevant in a high-tech society, they've kept in a lot of elements that we've automated people out of even in the 21st century. There's a lot less "black box" and "no user serviceable parts" technology in this Empire, unlike our modern day. So they need lots of people as technicians to repair stuff. In a lot of worlds, they use slaves; humans who are snatched up, and have many parts of their bodies removed and have durable metal cybernetic parts attached to them. The operation is cheap and routine, since it has been perfected over centuries. The parts outlive the slaves themselves; when the 'meat' part of a cyborg grows unable to do its job, it is euthanized and a new slave purchased and plugged in. The important part is the human brain, which along with a series of more simple computers creates a very flexible device that can be used for a variety of jobs using its own initiative and responding well to spoken orders. With less meat bodies, they don't need to eat and drink as much, electrodes in the brain can induce sleep while they're still standing, and so on. As they have enough of their bodies to no longer be considered humans they are things - slaves. Of course, as they are "cyborgs" they're not chattel slaves either. Like the Roman Empire, the widespread use of slaves stymies the development of a lot of "industrial" technology and retards progress, however, "progress" isn't important to this Empire. If a cyborg is only as good as half of a dedicated industrial robot, well they have thirty cyborgs where that came from. The wars of the Empire are fought to secure more sophonts to make cyborgs out of. Manumission of slaves involves the cloning of new body parts to allow an independent existence without cyborg parts.

Robots. Yes, there's robots and high tech. However, these are the hallmarks of the very rich and powerful, speeding by on their anti-grav cars and gravbelts through the air while the hoi polloi walk or take hydrogen burning ground transport.
 
This has been done in the game 'Space Opera'. One of its background sector books was based in a similar setting, the Azuriach Imperium (the "Azzies" were basically "space Nazis", sort of like the Solomani gone really bad).
 
Star Wars Empire under Palpatine wasn't really racist, more Lawful Evil. It just happened that the Navy attracted citizens from the homeworld of the former Empire hat spanned most of the galaxy, and the Stormtroopers from the first colonies that rebelled.
 
Tom Kalbfus said:
What if this evil Imperium was a direct descendent of a victorious Third Reich?

The Third Reich, beyond it's horrid racism and politics, was a economically non-viable state, Goering, in 1936 is given control over the economy as head of the four year plan, which not only does not meet it's goals, German GNP actually goes into decline. "Space-Nazis" are boring anyways, with any government lasting 3600 or so years is unbelievable. The Imperium is a polyglot anyways, which is at odds with the Nazi scheme of things.

I often use the Soviet Union, with the nomenklatura, as example of at least the government leadership. Though much of it as written is predicated upon the British Empire, I guess one could write of Charles I victorious, and the UK monarchy moving in a more absolutist direction, rather than towards democracy. Or maybe Cromwell establishes himself as an Emperor after lord protector, sort of like what Boney did.

But something that the British and Roman Empires both share is that they are economic empires, not military ones, like say the French and Nazis; something the 3I would have to share in common with the former.
 
Tom Kalbfus said:
An idea of what this would be like. Imagine an Imperium that was more like classical Rome with a cruel Emperor sitting on the Iridium Throne, with bread and circuses, and of course the Arena. Then there are the slaves, gladiators and rebels. Any other ideas?
"By Decree of His Imperial Majesty Strephon the Merciless goatee beards are now mandatory for all servants of the Imperium."
 
Don't forget the restriction on weapons for non-military individuals. I mean if the empire is evil and has been for a very long time, they will restrict weapons to prevent rebellion from groups, individual, planets etc.
 
Jacqual said:
Don't forget the restriction on weapons for non-military individuals. I mean if the empire is evil and has been for a very long time, they will restrict weapons to prevent rebellion from groups, individual, planets etc.
It would be hard to "Big Brother" 11,000 worlds and keep record on everybody. Pretty much I envision a fleet that shows up at each planet demanding tribute or else it will nuke the cities Communism would not work, the time delay means al the information gathered would be out of date due to lack of real time communication, and there would be lots or Rebel colonies on rogue planets, asteroids, and comets between the stars. The Imperium would only be able to govern the civilized places, the space inbetween such would be ungovernable because their is too much of it relative to the population.
 
One thing to look at might be the underlying morality of the whole society - what we might see as morally repugnant might well be their 'natural order of things' and completely correct. One example is slavery - to us it is unacceptable and wrong, but in the ancient world it was morally right and acceptable - Athens, the home of democracy, had as many slaves as free men for most of its history.

If the majority of the inhabitants of the mirror universe see the 'evil empire' as morally right, even admirable, then there would be very little rebellion.
 
One good example for an 'evil empire' might be ancient Sparta (as long as you chuck out all the nonsense from the 300 films!) - you've got a lot of really good material there - consider: An 'overlord' race or caste, totally militaristic who own all of the land (planets) and the subject people - the helots. The Spartan overlords don't work, just train to be a military elite - they have military training and hardware, which is restricted to Spartans exclusively. The Helots do all of the work - agriculture, mining, crafting, etc. and tithe about 50% to the Spartan overlords - what is left is for them to live on and they are entitled to sell any surplus. They have the right to earn money and if they earn enough, they can buy 'freedman' status - although they will still be non-Spartans. Spartans have the right to kill helots en masse if they become too numerous, or kill any troublesome individuals and the helots have no rights to complain or prevent it happening.

And having written this, I've realised that Tokugawa Japan was probably similar in some ways - 2 examples of an 'evil empire' idea then, lol!
 
Rick said:
One thing to look at might be the underlying morality of the whole society - what we might see as morally repugnant might well be their 'natural order of things' and completely correct. One example is slavery - to us it is unacceptable and wrong, but in the ancient world it was morally right and acceptable - Athens, the home of democracy, had as many slaves as free men for most of its history.

If the majority of the inhabitants of the mirror universe see the 'evil empire' as morally right, even admirable, then there would be very little rebellion.

What do you think a Triumphant Third Reich, lets say because they built the first atomic bombs and used them, what would they have become after the death of Hitler. Imagine such an empire expanding out into the Solar System. inventing the Jump Drive and making contact with the First Imperium. What would then follow?

One problem with the Nazis is if they exterminate everyone they meet, they reduce the value of whatever the conquer to nothing, as dead men pay no tribute.
 
You're saying the "Uranium project" never happened!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/nazis-and-the-bomb.html

In Mirror World, they in fact do put more effort, maybe discovering the process the US experimented with, and develop the weapon. V-2s with nuclear tips crack the sanctity of
Britain then move on Russia ending the war before the US defeats them and later Japan. At this point we assume central and south american countries openly side with the axis along with internal pro-axis within the US isolating the North America. War over.

When they reach the stars, do they take over in the form of the Eternal Reich or are they contained as the variant of the Solomani? Either way, there are going to be either a lot of slave races or extinct species.
 
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