Traveller, TAS, and AI

[Arkathan]

No I didn't. I was being facetious about knowing art. In my mind Architectural Drafting is not classical artistry. A draftsman takes someone else's vision, the Architects, and draws it either with a drafting table and all the tools or with a computer. I didn't create that the Architect did.

An classic artist takes pencil to paper and has the skill to transfer his vision to that paper, modern uses computers but they still draw the lines. An artist is not someone that takes Arm "A" and attaches it to Body "B"

Drafting: Ship Deck Plans. Lots of those sell in DTRPG.

Arm A to Body B. Old school cartoonists.

 

[Condottiere]

Barbara Cartland famously wrote by dictation, producing prodigious amounts of prose at a rapid pace, often 8,000 words per day. She would dictate to assistants during specific hours, typically from 1:30 to 3:30 PM, while simultaneously seeing the story in her mind's eye. She also believed in various practices like yoga, clairvoyance, and specific foods to enhance her creativity and focus.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Dictation:
Cartland dictated her stories to assistants, allowing her to generate a high volume of text quickly.
Mental Visualization:
She described "seeing" the story as she wrote, which suggests a strong ability to visualize the scenes and characters.
Consistency:
Cartland's writing process was consistent, with regular dictation hours and a belief in the power of certain practices to maintain her output.
Thematic Consistency:
Her stories followed a consistent formula, focusing on themes of romantic love, innocent young women, and honorable men, which may have aided in the speed and efficiency of her writing.
No Time for Revisions:
She admitted she couldn't spell well or punctuate properly, but she had others handle the editing and final typing.
What I thought about Barbara Cartland's Writing Process
06.09.2016 — Because I write all over the place – trains, tubes, libraries, cafes etc, this wouldn't work for me, but I'm told it's a...

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In 1950, Cartland was accused of plagiarism by author Georgette Heyer, after a reader drew attention to the apparent borrowing of Heyer's character names, character traits, dialogue and plot points in Cartland's early historical romances. In particular, A Hazard of Hearts (1949) replicated characters (including names) from Heyer's Friday's Child (1944) and The Knave of Hearts (1950): Heyer alleged that "the conception ... , the principal characters, and many of the incidents, derive directly from an early book of my own, entitled These Old Shades, first published in 1926. ... For minor situations and other characters she has drawn upon four of my other novels." Heyer completed a detailed analysis of the alleged plagiarisms for her solicitors, but the case never came to court.[15]


Almost all her novels post Nineteen Fifty were ripped off from other sources, was my estimate when I sampled her work.

I suspect her assistants did the historical background research.

So, we've been here before.

 

[Hardwire]

I dont think you're giving yourself enough credit. Its is a skill.. an art... to be able to take somebody else's vision and put it on "paper". Youre no different than the commissioned artist. Running a middle section in the "relay race of creation".

Pardon me if I'm not understanding the Arm A and body B metaphor. Do Architects draw each room separately and then you just drag and drop them around the screen, unchanged, until all the doors and walls line up the way the architect instructed?

Yes, With AutoCAD the moto is draw it once and use it multiple times. The save drawings as Block and insert them into a new drawing where needed. I have created multiple Block Libraries for various companies, many years ago. With manual drafting not so much.

Block libraries are commonly use to place symbols, commonly used drawing "like a bathtub.

As for arm "A" to Body "B" I am referring to those that use the programs that have various body parts and then just manipulate the body parts and call it art. They drew noting.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Barbara Cartland famously wrote by dictation, producing prodigious amounts of prose at a rapid pace, often 8,000 words per day. She would dictate to assistants during specific hours, typically from 1:30 to 3:30 PM, while simultaneously seeing the story in her mind's eye. She also believed in various practices like yoga, clairvoyance, and specific foods to enhance her creativity and focus.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Dictation:
Cartland dictated her stories to assistants, allowing her to generate a high volume of text quickly.
Mental Visualization:
She described "seeing" the story as she wrote, which suggests a strong ability to visualize the scenes and characters.
Consistency:
Cartland's writing process was consistent, with regular dictation hours and a belief in the power of certain practices to maintain her output.
Thematic Consistency:
Her stories followed a consistent formula, focusing on themes of romantic love, innocent young women, and honorable men, which may have aided in the speed and efficiency of her writing.
No Time for Revisions:
She admitted she couldn't spell well or punctuate properly, but she had others handle the editing and final typing.
What I thought about Barbara Cartland's Writing Process
06.09.2016 — Because I write all over the place – trains, tubes, libraries, cafes etc, this wouldn't work for me, but I'm told it's a...

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In 1950, Cartland was accused of plagiarism by author Georgette Heyer, after a reader drew attention to the apparent borrowing of Heyer's character names, character traits, dialogue and plot points in Cartland's early historical romances. In particular, A Hazard of Hearts (1949) replicated characters (including names) from Heyer's Friday's Child (1944) and The Knave of Hearts (1950): Heyer alleged that "the conception ... , the principal characters, and many of the incidents, derive directly from an early book of my own, entitled These Old Shades, first published in 1926. ... For minor situations and other characters she has drawn upon four of my other novels." Heyer completed a detailed analysis of the alleged plagiarisms for her solicitors, but the case never came to court.[15]


Almost all her novels post Nineteen Fifty were ripped off from other sources, was my estimate when I sampled her work.

I suspect her assistants did the historical background research.

So, we've been here before.

I'm not sure I'm getting what you meant by this. Are you saying you see writing by dictation as using AI? Something else? My one cup of coffee isn't helping be here, so help a guy out.

 

[Tforbes]

Yes, With AutoCAD the moto is draw it once and use it multiple times. The save drawings as Block and insert them into a new drawing where needed. I have created multiple Block Libraries for various companies, many years ago. With manual drafting not so much.

I get it. Libraries save time. If something is a standard or at least going to be used mostly unchanged it saves time to just copy and paste rather than draw from scratch each time. But somebody had to have drawn the piece initially?

Block libraries are commonly use to place symbols, commonly used drawing "like a bathtub.

Yup. Makes sense. More or less there's a set of standard pieces and you're responsible for assembling them in such a way as to reflect the architects vision.

Youre an efficient commissioned artist.

As for arm "A" to Body "B" I am referring to those that use the programs that have various body parts and then just manipulate the body parts and call it art. They drew noting.

Ah ok. So you were being literal. In that situation I'd say : artist credit? Yes but scaled according to the amount of options and transformations.

 

[boggo2300]

I'm not sure I'm getting what you meant by this. Are you saying you see writing by dictation as using AI? Something else? My one cup of coffee isn't helping be here, so help a guy out.

Don't worry Terry, I've had plenty of coffee and I'm in the same boat

 

[Arkathan]

Don't worry Terry, I've had plenty of coffee and I'm in the same boat

I don't drink coffee.
I saw it as crushing the dodge of because I can't write, I can't publish.
Dragon works, and most cell phones have some manner of talk to text. Your own words are not a prohibited use of AI, since they are your own words, not a creation of AI.

 

[Terry Mixon]

I don't drink coffee.
I saw it as crushing the dodge of because I can't write, I can't publish.
Dragon works, and most cell phones have some manner of talk to text. Your own words are not a prohibited use of AI, since they are your own words, not a creation of AI.

As a writer, I've used Dragon for a long while. I've dictated something like 35 first drafts with it. I'm a slow typist and it helps. There is a bit of cleanup for me, but worth it.

 

[Tforbes]

Yea but it also throws in a critique of somebody stealing plots and characters from another writer and simply remixing them. So maybe it was trying to say that people are guilty of the same things we accuse AI of doing?

Regardless, since most of the message was AI-generated, and it came out so unclear we're all struggling to understand it, I think we can put it in the "AI content should not be allowed to overwhelm human created content through sheer volume" pile.

 

[Condottiere]

I'm not sure I'm getting what you meant by this. Are you saying you see writing by dictation as using AI? Something else? My one cup of coffee isn't helping be here, so help a guy out.

The process is the same.

The real difference is that you don't have to employ an entire staff to do it anymore, as a computer programme is now a really fast and cheap method to get the same result.

If you have to panic, it would be over the large quantity of lowish quality productions that will likely result as the bar to entry has been lowered, that will crowd out the higher quality stuff, with or without artificial assistance.

Discrete use and editorial guidance will make artificial generated products indistinguishable, to a greater or lesser degree, from pure human efforts.

 

[boggo2300]

I'm sorry,
i don't see the similarity between dictation and LLC generated text.

 

[MonsterX]

Smash the looms!

The Luddites get a bad rap. I'm starting to warm to their way of thinking.

 

[Terry Mixon]

The process is the same.

The real difference is that you don't have to employ an entire staff to do it anymore, as a computer programme is now a really fast and cheap method to get the same result.

If you have to panic, it would be over the large quantity of lowish quality productions that will likely result as the bar to entry has been lowered, that will crowd out the higher quality stuff, with or without artificial assistance.

Discrete use and editorial guidance will make artificial generated products indistinguishable, to a greater or lesser degree, from pure human efforts.

As a writer that dictates, I don’t have AI do my research or alter the wording. All I do is replace typing with talking.

Does Dragon interpret what I say? It does. Often poorly. Does it change the meaning and layout of what I say? Not intentionally.

That doesn’t sound the same at all.

 

[Hardwire]

As a writer that dictates, I don’t have AI do my research or alter the wording. All I do is replace typing with talking.

Does Dragon interpret what I say? It does. Often poorly. Does it change the meaning and layout of what I say? Not intentionally.

That doesn’t sound the same at all.

Dragon isn't AI, as stated it just types what you say.

 

[boggo2300]

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Smash the looms!

The Luddites get a bad rap. I'm starting to warm to their way of thinking.

the French ones were better!! Bring on the Sabot's!! Sabotage FTW

 

[Condottiere]

To reiterate, we've been here before.

Ethically speaking, how many books have been ghostwritten, or even cooperatively, with a single person taking the credit?

Personally, I've been considering feeding the military organization aspects of my Vargr thread to an artificial intelligence generator, and see what is extruded, and then submit that.

 

[Sigtrygg]

It is way too late...
automation replaced manual labour
computer controlled automation replaced skilled craftsmen
AI is now coming to replace the middle classes...
shame the middle classes didn't support the workers when they had the chance...

wait until AI can replace lawyers and doctors, AI robots and drones replace human soldiers...

<conspiracy theory to tie in with Dark Conspiracy, more follows>

politicians do their master's bidding, who pulls the strings, who controls the money, who frames the narrative, who are you not allowed to question, who are you not allowed to criticise...

and who are the scapegoats.

 

[Sigtrygg]

To reiterate, we've been here before.

We have indeed, and it has always ended the same way.

Ethically speaking, how many books have been ghostwritten, or even cooperatively, with a single person taking the credit?

Many.

Personally, I've been considering feeding the military organization aspects of my Vargr thread to an artificial intelligence generator, and see what is extruded, and then submit that.

So it's only a wruff draft up to now?
I wonder, once it has been chewed upon, how it will sit up in comparison with more traditional dogged methods... I will stop now

 

[Condottiere]

Most of the stuff I make up on the fly.

Sometimes, I'm surprised where it all leads.