Something in the DUNEiverse?
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Well, there's a whole series of novels, though undoubtedly the first is the best. I don't know quote how you would integrate holtzman shields and lasguns etc. into an effective game, but it would be interesting.
I haven't had the chance to read the Butlerian Jihad books (they're done by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson I think). But they may offer a more expanded universe view on space and planetside combat... I'll have to have a look.
I haven't had the chance to read the Butlerian Jihad books (they're done by Herbert's son and Kevin J Anderson I think). But they may offer a more expanded universe view on space and planetside combat... I'll have to have a look.
WallyTWest
Mongoose
I encourage modeling this range after the work that Sci-Fi has done with the Dune Saga. Visualy I think they got it down.
I dont encourage you publishing this however because I would loose my shirt painting and buying every miniature ten times over. I would hate to see myself sell every 40K and BT mini, as I would have to dedicate myself to the dune cult entirely.
I dont encourage you publishing this however because I would loose my shirt painting and buying every miniature ten times over. I would hate to see myself sell every 40K and BT mini, as I would have to dedicate myself to the dune cult entirely.
Yes, between them David Lynch and the Sci-Fi channel have done great work putting together a visual theme for the whole saga - much of the art and design work is already done!
Where RTS computer games have already been put together as licensed products, some of the game design elements are already there. Just requires translating it to a miniature scale and game rules. Space combat... is a bit more open ended. I don't quite see how you'd make no-ships, lasguns, shields etc. work practically.
I can see a smaller scale RPG or skirmish combat mini game set on arrakis, but upping it to larger battles (such as those during the Harkonnen invasion) would need a different scale, to get sandworms roaming the tables, etc etc.
Where RTS computer games have already been put together as licensed products, some of the game design elements are already there. Just requires translating it to a miniature scale and game rules. Space combat... is a bit more open ended. I don't quite see how you'd make no-ships, lasguns, shields etc. work practically.
I can see a smaller scale RPG or skirmish combat mini game set on arrakis, but upping it to larger battles (such as those during the Harkonnen invasion) would need a different scale, to get sandworms roaming the tables, etc etc.
WallyTWest
Mongoose
Dude, 25mm or bust.
25mm to 30mm only, I would not want to paint anything smaller.
25mm to 30mm only, I would not want to paint anything smaller.
I think there are a variety of products in this; an RPG, a 30mm Skirmish game, a 15mm Mass battle game (mm, sandworms!) and possibly a starship game.
Personally I would so love a 30mm range- BUT! It must be done right, we need Copplestone, Perry Bro's, Gubser, Kev White, Richard Ansell and a few more I cant think of at the 'mo.
Set it up with various periods (though book one is the best period).
Lasguns and shields are dealt with using the book. Make this ultra real to the books. A lasgun means armour doesnt count for jack, shields mean CC becomes important as does body armour, speed etc, the Holtzmann-Lasgun effect basicly creates a nuke killign everything on the table (but dont allow players in game to do this or at least have it only possible after the side shooting loses 75% of their men. Also allow menw ith shields to turn them off.).
Personally I would so love a 30mm range- BUT! It must be done right, we need Copplestone, Perry Bro's, Gubser, Kev White, Richard Ansell and a few more I cant think of at the 'mo.
Set it up with various periods (though book one is the best period).
Lasguns and shields are dealt with using the book. Make this ultra real to the books. A lasgun means armour doesnt count for jack, shields mean CC becomes important as does body armour, speed etc, the Holtzmann-Lasgun effect basicly creates a nuke killign everything on the table (but dont allow players in game to do this or at least have it only possible after the side shooting loses 75% of their men. Also allow menw ith shields to turn them off.).
combatdroid113
Mongoose
just some game company somwhere do it, i will be worth a fortune if made easily accesable
Locutus9956
Mongoose
I must confess I've never actually got round to actually READING the Dune series but from what little I HAVE heard I suspect this would rock most triumphantly!
I am on the first book at the moment but the scope is just huge. I mean the movie, mini series, upcoming mini series, the original books, the prequals, the source books.
The main two problems:
A company actually making it
Sorting out the Lasgun and shield thing (maybe just say that the shields are only turned on in combat, makes sense)
What else, oh, a big 'no' if miniatures are outside the 25 - 30 mm range. If you want sandworms, then massive models will have to be made, simple.
So the factions could be as follows:
House Atreides
House Harkonnen
Bene Gesserit
Space Guild Sardaukar
Fremen
Other houses mentioned in the books
Thinking machines
Also, this picture of a dune videogame which never came to be rocks:
The main two problems:
A company actually making it
Sorting out the Lasgun and shield thing (maybe just say that the shields are only turned on in combat, makes sense)
What else, oh, a big 'no' if miniatures are outside the 25 - 30 mm range. If you want sandworms, then massive models will have to be made, simple.
So the factions could be as follows:
House Atreides
House Harkonnen
Bene Gesserit
Space Guild Sardaukar
Fremen
Other houses mentioned in the books
Thinking machines
Also, this picture of a dune videogame which never came to be rocks:
I think the following factions make sense;
House Ix
Spice Guild
House Corrino (includes Sardaukar)
Fremen
House Harkonnen
House Atreides.
Set it just before or around the events of book one. Later expansions could use the core rules to deal with later wars between the likes of the Fish Speakers, Imperial Fremen, Bene Gesserit etc.
All Houses would also be able to purchase Swordmasters of Ginaz, Metats, BG Sisters etc.
As for lasguns/shields. I'd ban entirely the shooting of shields with lasguns (assume the land is precious and they can't afford to have it irradiated.) Also make both weapons very expensive; even the Sardaukar don't have a lasgun per soldier. Shields should be fairly common making close combat a mainstay. Also remember that in some terrain shields cant be used; i.e. on Arrakis where they infuriate the sandworms.
I'd keep it 30mm and phase out Sandworms and the like.
House Ix
Spice Guild
House Corrino (includes Sardaukar)
Fremen
House Harkonnen
House Atreides.
Set it just before or around the events of book one. Later expansions could use the core rules to deal with later wars between the likes of the Fish Speakers, Imperial Fremen, Bene Gesserit etc.
All Houses would also be able to purchase Swordmasters of Ginaz, Metats, BG Sisters etc.
As for lasguns/shields. I'd ban entirely the shooting of shields with lasguns (assume the land is precious and they can't afford to have it irradiated.) Also make both weapons very expensive; even the Sardaukar don't have a lasgun per soldier. Shields should be fairly common making close combat a mainstay. Also remember that in some terrain shields cant be used; i.e. on Arrakis where they infuriate the sandworms.
I'd keep it 30mm and phase out Sandworms and the like.
not the Spice Guild no one would attack for fear of being cut off. THough the rest is a good idea started doing it myself a while back but never did. Read the whole series and the encyclopedia of it, don't like the ones his son did read 2+ of them and they didn't fit the universe properly. The "House" Series were particularly bad. 
Ah...but I'm sure that the Space Guild will have units for which it will deny all knowledge: Think Grey Fox or Delta for the US now. Plus I can see them using lots of mercs. So sort of they'll do what they want in buisness and sometimes they get caught, rather than an offical war, House vs Guild (because as you say, that would be suicide). After all if anyone attacked Corrino they'd be pretty screwed too.
Soulmage
Mongoose
I don't know anything about the lasgun/shield effect.
I've only see the David Lynch movie, and parts of the sci-fi movies. Never did read the books, although I do have the first one. Should prob read it I guess! LOL!!
Anyway, so unless this lasgun/shield issue was something that appeared in part of the sci-fi movies I didn't see, you could just take the primary source material for the game from the movies and just draw additional info from the books as needed - thus neatly avoiding the problem.
I've only see the David Lynch movie, and parts of the sci-fi movies. Never did read the books, although I do have the first one. Should prob read it I guess! LOL!!
Anyway, so unless this lasgun/shield issue was something that appeared in part of the sci-fi movies I didn't see, you could just take the primary source material for the game from the movies and just draw additional info from the books as needed - thus neatly avoiding the problem.
@Soulmage
All crap and fanboy shnit aside, for the love of God read the freakin book. It is excellent, keeps you wanting to read more and after the first twenty pages, there are so many plots within plots and sub plts the book becomes like a nexus, a spider web of excellent plot, character development, good sci-fi, adventure and betrayal.
The moive did the book great injustice. Just read it.
You won't be disappointed.
All crap and fanboy shnit aside, for the love of God read the freakin book. It is excellent, keeps you wanting to read more and after the first twenty pages, there are so many plots within plots and sub plts the book becomes like a nexus, a spider web of excellent plot, character development, good sci-fi, adventure and betrayal.
The moive did the book great injustice. Just read it.
You won't be disappointed.
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