Poseidon or 4 Raid worth of fighters?

[wkehrman]

The Vree win. Hands down. Way more firepower and more anti-fighter dice than god.

Frankly though carriers, even huge ones like the Posseidon, are support ships and in a one on one vs any battleship will lose I suspect.

Admittedly 24 T-Bbolts is alot of hurt but I suspect 10 dice of anti fighter will take them down reasonably quickly and the Z'Tymm itself is pretty damned tough at hull 6 with 80 hit points.

In our last fight my T'zymm took a critical and lost its anti-fighter. A bad moment to be sure.

Not as bad as you might think. I only had four fighters available and they were all Auroras. By the time I got them anywhere near the T'Zymm, the Anti-fighter net was back up. Based on where we were in the game, I don't think a Posideon full of T-bolts would have done you in.

 

[Triggy]

I take it you mean the Z'Takk?

 

[David Anla Shok']

I take it you mean the Z'Takk?

Umm, no. I had my T'zakk disguised as a T'zymm.. new cloaking device, very sneaky. See how I had him fooled? ;>

 

[wkehrman]

I take it you mean the Z'Takk?

Umm, no. I had my T'zakk disguised as a T'zymm.. new cloaking device, very sneaky. See how I had him fooled? ;>

Yeah, one of those, um, double saucer things right there....no, THAT thing right THERE!

Besides, the way I've been rolling dice of late, my T-bolts might not be able to hurt a Tzymm!! :lol:

 

[David Anla Shok']

I take it you mean the Z'Takk?

Umm, no. I had my T'zakk disguised as a T'zymm.. new cloaking device, very sneaky. See how I had him fooled? ;>

Yeah, one of those, um, double saucer things right there....no, THAT thing right THERE!

Besides, the way I've been rolling dice of late, my T-bolts might not be able to hurt a Tzymm!! :lol:

Yes. The Dice of Sucking can really ruin a game.

 

[k3ndawg]

Yes. The Dice of Sucking can really ruin a game.

ANY game :lol:

 

[David Anla Shok']

Yes. The Dice of Sucking can really ruin a game.

ANY game :lol:

And you would know.... ;>

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

Tactical and strategic considerations aside, is a Poseidon model worth buying? How's the quality, looks, etc?
I'm trying to decide wether to get one. I definitely don't want an Avenger.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Tactical and strategic considerations aside, is a Poseidon model worth buying? How's the quality, looks, etc?
I'm trying to decide wether to get one. I definitely don't want an Avenger.

I got a pretty good casting. With a little work you will have a fine looking model. Go slow and don't make assumptions. You have a rotating section unless you decide to glue it still.

 

[Taran]

Yes. The Dice of Sucking can really ruin a game.

ANY game :lol:

I don't know about that...
I mean, you get your significant other and a set of Dice of Sucking and, well...

 

[Locutus9956]

The Vree win. Hands down. Way more firepower and more anti-fighter dice than god.

Frankly though carriers, even huge ones like the Posseidon, are support ships and in a one on one vs any battleship will lose I suspect.

Admittedly 24 T-Bbolts is alot of hurt but I suspect 10 dice of anti fighter will take them down reasonably quickly and the Z'Tymm itself is pretty damned tough at hull 6 with 80 hit points.

In our last fight my T'zymm took a critical and lost its anti-fighter. A bad moment to be sure.

(short of very lucky crit rolling)

:wink:

And as to why not swap them for Vree dogfighters, thats very simple really. 4 assault fighters or 4 interceptors are still going to be no more than a speedbump to 24 fleet carrier assisted thunderbolts frankly neither are likely to make a difference as the dogfight bonus will be swamped into nothingness by sheer numbers. However, if you manage to take out the T-Bolts with your weaponry and still have your Tzymms in the hanger then all of a sudden youve got an exellent heavy fighter that can sit out of 2" range and help pepper the Posseidon.

Long story short faced with that kind of overwhelming fighter superiority trying to actually engage them with your own fighters, no matter how good they are (and Vree dogfighters arent that much better anyway, theyre good but then the Tzymm is pretty bloody good for a fighter with that kind of firepower!) is a waste of time (and if you want to try and tie up the enemy fighters for a turn then 4 of any kind can do the job (if I was the EA player Id engage whatever fighters there were as heavily as possible regardless, guarenteeing knocking them all out and also leaving all my fighters engaged an unshootable till the next turn when they can ALL engage...)

Ok so that wasnt really long story much shorter but I should make sense of sorts

 

[Da Boss]

Don't the Vre dogfighters have +3 ? Thats pretty good - I have seen a single Nial recently eat through a stack of five Narn fighters (true they were only Narn) and then go on to attack the ships................

 

[Locutus9956]

yes but the Nial is actually pretty nasty as an attack fighter as WELL as being a good dogfighter (it has stealth and minibeam weapons!) 4 Vree dogfighters wouldnt even scratch the interceptor network of a Posseidon (frankly they all be shot down as soon as they dared sneak into 2" range)

(again see previous comment re: jammy crit rolling )

And whilst a that single Nial CAN get lucky and take out 5 Narn fighters its not odds favourit to do so. Bear in mind that even with its +3 dogfight it only takes 2 Tbolts to equal the odds (dont forget the +1 bonus from fleet carrier...) and the Vree fighters are outnumbered 6 to 1 so even if you take the dogfighters, by my reconning its the EA should rip them all out of the sky in one turn with no losses.

Now the only trick I can think of for the vree is the fact theyre speed 16. Park them, say 12" the oposite side of the mothership and move second with fighters every turn, as soon as the TBolts go in for an attack jump 4 of them, probably kill all 4 and then if you win initiative next turn run like hell. The problem is, especially with the Posseidons higher command bouns the EA have the advantage in initiative, thus pretty much screwing that plan from the word go. In either case though the Vree fighters arent really going to matter much since the ship itself I reckon should EASILY slaughter the Posseidon one on one still.

 

[No. 1 Bear]

The thing is by using the dogfighters you can slow down some of his fighters. Use them as a speed bump.

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

Tactical and strategic considerations aside, is a Poseidon model worth buying? How's the quality, looks, etc?
I'm trying to decide wether to get one. I definitely don't want an Avenger.

I got a pretty good casting. With a little work you will have a fine looking model. Go slow and don't make assumptions. You have a rotating section unless you decide to glue it still.

Hmm, meditate on this I will, Master David of Anla Shok :wink:

What about weight? Is it heavier than say... an Octurion? That's the heaviest ship I've got.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Tactical and strategic considerations aside, is a Poseidon model worth buying? How's the quality, looks, etc?
I'm trying to decide wether to get one. I definitely don't want an Avenger.

I got a pretty good casting. With a little work you will have a fine looking model. Go slow and don't make assumptions. You have a rotating section unless you decide to glue it still.

Hmm, meditate on this I will, Master David of Anla Shok :wink:

What about weight? Is it heavier than say... an Octurion? That's the heaviest ship I've got.

LOL, I haven't weighed them but I'd say that the Posidon is closer in mass to the Adira than the Octurian.
I based the Posidon on brass rod and used two of the larger flight bases to support it. The Adira is shorter so I got away with using two stacked fighter bases.

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

I heard the Adira is twice the size of an Octurion, so... OMG, a ship weighing about 2 pounds? :shock: Kinda crazy...

Well, as I said, I'll have to think it through. Done corectly, it's quite a sight, but it ain't cheap. :?

Thanks for the info

 

[David Anla Shok']

I heard the Adira is twice the size of an Octurion, so... OMG, a ship weighing about 2 pounds? :shock: Kinda crazy...

Well, as I said, I'll have to think it through. Done corectly, it's quite a sight, but it ain't cheap. :?

Thanks for the info

Keep it by the bed. If someone breaks in, you can crown them with it.

 

[Locutus9956]

The thing is by using the dogfighters you can slow down some of his fighters. Use them as a speed bump.

You've still slightly missed the point mate, ANY fighter can be used in that way, and the EA force has such overwhelming superiority that it makes little difference which one is used since either will slow them down for 1 turn then die. Given that, your better off taking the fighters that can potentially have other uses as well.

Re the Posseidon model, it's big for sure, but personally I'd say its actually a bit lighter than the Octurion (the Posseidon is mostly hollow, wheras the Octurion is solid metal and havent actually used an Adira model ever so cant comment (and frankly I never will since it's dog ugly imo) lastly the model is expensive but if your playing EA I'd HUGELY recommend the Posseidon box set (assuming it's still available). You get 16 flights of starfuries for about what it costs to buy em seperately I believe and basically get the Posseidon for free

In fact it used to be the case that it was CHEAPER to buy the box set than it was to buy 16 flights of auroras so I bought the box set just to get a load of fighters and the posseidon was a nice bonus (but it seems mongoose have caught on to that one )

 

[Taran]

Doesn't it come with 24 flights now?