Weet-R-BIX
Mongoose
MongooseCharlie said:Well if you buy black missions you get most of the old books for free as pdfs on the bonus DVD so pretty good deal right there!
Old books? As in the Mongoose titles that have been published?
MongooseCharlie said:Well if you buy black missions you get most of the old books for free as pdfs on the bonus DVD so pretty good deal right there!
Weet-R-BIX said:Old books? As in the Mongoose titles that have been published?
Weet-R-BIX said:Thanks for the quick reply Matt. I wonder if I can press the point to ask if I need to purchase the last eight books if I were going to purchase the limited edition with the DVD?
Is the limited edition book going to be a Mongoose direct purchase only? I only ask that as I like to support my local hobby stores whenever possible.
PrinceYyrkoon said:Why arent the current supplements at a reduced price, if they are about to be given away free with the new (limited) edition? What, so only the guys lucky enough to get their hands on a copy have a right to this? Everyone else has to pay full price for them? Is it the case that the cost of buying these supplements is more than the cost of this new limited edition with its free pdfs?
And what if you dont manage to pick up a copy of the 'limited' new edition? You want it for all those nice pdfs of supplements, but there arent enough books to satify demand. Great.
msprange said:PrinceYyrkoon said:Why arent the current supplements at a reduced price, if they are about to be given away free with the new (limited) edition? What, so only the guys lucky enough to get their hands on a copy have a right to this? Everyone else has to pay full price for them? Is it the case that the cost of buying these supplements is more than the cost of this new limited edition with its free pdfs?
And what if you dont manage to pick up a copy of the 'limited' new edition? You want it for all those nice pdfs of supplements, but there arent enough books to satify demand. Great.
I'll see if I can answer some of these. . .
We never discount our own books - to do so would mean undercutting retailers, and we have promised never to do that.
Anyone can get their hands on the Black Missions edition at the moment - preorder it from us, and you are guaranteed a copy.
The PDFs of the older books are available on Drivethru now, for less than print versions, and will continue to be offered for as long as we produce Paranoia.
Hope that helps!
msprange said:Weet-R-BIX said:Thanks for the quick reply Matt. I wonder if I can press the point to ask if I need to purchase the last eight books if I were going to purchase the limited edition with the DVD?
Is the limited edition book going to be a Mongoose direct purchase only? I only ask that as I like to support my local hobby stores whenever possible.
The last eight books will be PDFs on the Black Missions disc, so it all depends whether you want hard copies or not
As for retailers, yes, Black Missions will be going to them but, judging from our experiences with Baron Munchausen, they will disappear _very_ quickly - we expect our warehosue to be empty of them after the first _day_ of sale, so there will be no restocks.
Weet-R-BIX said:msprange said:Weet-R-BIX said:Thanks for the quick reply Matt. I wonder if I can press the point to ask if I need to purchase the last eight books if I were going to purchase the limited edition with the DVD?
Is the limited edition book going to be a Mongoose direct purchase only? I only ask that as I like to support my local hobby stores whenever possible.
The last eight books will be PDFs on the Black Missions disc, so it all depends whether you want hard copies or not
As for retailers, yes, Black Missions will be going to them but, judging from our experiences with Baron Munchausen, they will disappear _very_ quickly - we expect our warehosue to be empty of them after the first _day_ of sale, so there will be no restocks.
Therein lies the rub. I'd love hard copies of the complete run. I have everything up to the last eight books on the Paranoia web page.
However buying them will cost me more than double the cost of the new book, so if War on [Insert Noun], Mandatory Mission Pack, Alpha Complex Nights 2, The Thin Green Line, Big Book of Bots, Alpha Complex Nights, STUFF 2: The Gray Subnets, and Paranoia Flashbacks II are all on the DVD, I think my money would be better spent on the new book, especially given the changes you are making in the line.
Given the foreshortened availability of these books, there appears to be only one sensible thing to do. If there had been more upfront promotion about the new book and exactly what will accompany it on the DVD, there might be less confusion amongst your customers.
As I said earlier, I've been happy to support Mongoose and the Paranoia line, in spite of frequent obvious typos in the books. I would like to know that every effort will be put forward to make the new line of books more complete and error free. I really hate paying for a book, then having to proof read it as well...
My confidence in the Paranoia line has been undermined by the actions of it's own publishers, by changing the line and suspending sales of the previous books so abruptly. It's down to Mongoose to make things right.
PrinceYyrkoon said:Ok. Short (subdued) announcement is due to printing delays? Er, right.
PrinceYyrkoon said:I visit the site often, I post on these forums, I buy Mongoose books, (hundreds of pounds worth, I may say), and I didnt see any announcements about a new edition until very recently. [...] You can quite happily, even now, navigate around the Paranoia products without even noticing that theres a new edition.
msprange said:The PDFs of the older books are available on Drivethru now, for less than print versions, and will continue to be offered for as long as we produce Paranoia.
Danforth said:Change of plan, or are they in error?
Danforth said:PrinceYyrkoon said:Ok. Short (subdued) announcement is due to printing delays? Er, right.
If that was in reply to my post, I said the short timing of the announcement might have been printing delay related, not the subdued nature...
PrinceYyrkoon said:I visit the site often, I post on these forums, I buy Mongoose books, (hundreds of pounds worth, I may say), and I didnt see any announcements about a new edition until very recently. [...] You can quite happily, even now, navigate around the Paranoia products without even noticing that theres a new edition.
...which I agree should have been louder. Even now, as you say, it's not all that clear.
Matthew, if you're still reading: currently DriveThruRPG says it's pulling the Paranoia PDF range at the end of the month. Which doesn't square with:
msprange said:The PDFs of the older books are available on Drivethru now, for less than print versions, and will continue to be offered for as long as we produce Paranoia.
Change of plan, or are they in error?
I'm on a bit of a space-reduction, digital-versions kick at the moment, so I'm thinking of preordering Black Missions and buying the PDFs of the books that aren't on the DVD - but I can't pay out for that lot in one month, so if Flashbacks 1/2 and Stuff 1/2 were available to buy after June that would be great.
msprange said:They are in error, and have been informed.Danforth said:Change of plan, or are they in error?
PrinceYyrkoon said:I suppose I meant that problems with printers wasnt really a viable excuse for the lateness of either books or announcements. I think Mongoose seem to have had an inordinate amount of problems with printers...
PrinceYyrkoon said:Im willing to bet that those supplements will reappear at a discounted cost soon enough.
Danforth said:And of course the current rulebook isn't on the disc
At no point has the current PARANOIA edition been "less humor-driven." Humor is the entire point of the game. PARANOIA has always been, and remains, the leading humor RPG.PrinceYyrkoon said:In fact, I would venture to suggest that, in order to make Paranoia more viable, cool and noughties, I would say that Mr Holloways art has done its job, but is at odds with Mongooses attempt to make the game darker, less humour driven. I think we will see less and less of Jims art on future releases, IMHO of course.