Near Future Traveller
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Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
So not High Guard, if it isn't in High Guard I can't use it for the purposes of this thread.
Looking at it it is a worse choice than a standard reaction drive...
TL8
20% of hull per thrust, for a 100t ship that's 20t
each ton requires 1 power point so for a 100t ship that's 20 EPs, which requires an additional 2 tons of fission power plant
fuel is 1% (of hull?) per thrust per hour, so for the 10 hours I am rating the reaction drive at that's 10t of fuel. Total 33 tons.
For a 100t ship, a 2t reaction drive requires only 20t of fuel for 10 hours. Total 22 tons
Looking at it it is a worse choice than a standard reaction drive...
TL8
20% of hull per thrust, for a 100t ship that's 20t
each ton requires 1 power point so for a 100t ship that's 20 EPs, which requires an additional 2 tons of fission power plant
fuel is 1% (of hull?) per thrust per hour, so for the 10 hours I am rating the reaction drive at that's 10t of fuel. Total 33 tons.
For a 100t ship, a 2t reaction drive requires only 20t of fuel for 10 hours. Total 22 tons
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
With as many rules that belong in High Guard scattered all over the place (and which will likely eventually make their way into High Guard) I don't think you should reject them out of hand.
The page before the one referenced is actually one that should be taken into account as well.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
I can only refer to the rules I have, and I have zero interest in the Spinward Extents. I am not spending £25 pounds for 2 pages...
As it is the TL8 reaction drive is superior to the TL8 plasma that has been linked to.
High Guard has its own rules for solar panels, I wonder if they are the same
Who is the author of this book, have they made up their own rules rather than crack open the HG2022 update?
As it is the TL8 reaction drive is superior to the TL8 plasma that has been linked to.
High Guard has its own rules for solar panels, I wonder if they are the same
Who is the author of this book, have they made up their own rules rather than crack open the HG2022 update?
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
@Geir is the author. I'd imagine he did give High Guard a look. He's pretty on the ball about this kind of stuff, even if he can't spell Stirling.High Guard has its own rules for solar panels, I wonder if they are the same
Who is the author of this book, have they made up their own rules rather than crack open the HG2022 update?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
I think he got that 92.5% correct.
As regards the plasma drive, it depends on how you envision interplanetary travel.
The plasma drive, combined with a ramscoop, allows constant acceleration.
As regards the plasma drive, it depends on how you envision interplanetary travel.
The plasma drive, combined with a ramscoop, allows constant acceleration.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Yes, and as it is the same as my signature, we don't disagree, but when it comes to consistency and holistic system design in Mongoose Traveller, I refer you to the noted scholar and gentleman, Wesley. "Get used to disappointment."
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
And which of the three different versions of the ramscoop would that be? The one in High Guard? It is science fantasy.
10t minumum, and collects 50t of hydrogen per week, from "empty" space...
No TL, no EPs to power the magnetic or gravitic collection field, no EP to compress and cool the hydrogen to liquid state...
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
You get to keep the solar panels extended at acceleration factor/one.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Which is why I am sticking to what we all have and can sort of agree on, the HG2022 update.Yes, and as it is the same as my signature, we don't disagree, but when it comes to consistency and holistic system design in Mongoose Traveller, I refer you to the noted scholar and gentleman, Wesley. "Get used to disappointment."
But I do have one question, have the power plant fuel rules been officially retconned to get rid of the silly 1t minumum?
The 1.125t fission reactor should only need 0.1125t of fuel for 4 weeks, the 1t minimum would last 35.6 weeks.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Minimum one power point.
And fuel tank, thimble.
And fuel tank, thimble.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Cosmic Mongoose
Unless the "being under thrust" requirement is to use the M-Drive as part of the collection system (modified by the "scoop" hardware) and that is functionally part of the ram scoop while also being your M-Drive and your scoop power.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Cosmic Mongoose
Same here. With my own setting I'm not likely to buy things like Drinax or the Spinward extents that are totally tied to OTU.
It would be nice if when doing things like the Small Craft and Adventure Class ships books if they had added these ship rules into them as the ship books that are applicable to many campaigns (and universes) at least as a basis to build on and examples of how the rules work are useful additions even to my universe.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that The Spinward Extents was written before High Guard Update 2022.
The same is true of Element Class Cruisers. That doesn’t stop me from retconning the pods back into existence under the current rules. That’s not applicable to this situation, but I figure if it’s in a published product, it’s fair game.
The same is true of Element Class Cruisers. That doesn’t stop me from retconning the pods back into existence under the current rules. That’s not applicable to this situation, but I figure if it’s in a published product, it’s fair game.
IMTU, I just added mass (made it 2 tons, just because) to the basic sensors, made the cost MCr 1, and 1 PP. Other than that, they had the same capability as Basic. Never did anything for TL6, but would have probably just doubled all the costs.Before moving on to TL8 an update to TL7.
TL7
A typical civilian ship will be a 1g reaction drive, so that thrust gravity can be utilizsed while under thrust. Military and paramilitary ships would go all the way to 3g and have to use all the g mitigation tools available, g-suits, acceleration couches...
Fuel required is 2.5% per g per hour, 10 hours of thrust at 1g is thrust 25% of the ship, so for long trips burn and coast will be required, better build the staterooms in hamster cages or the like at a surcharge of 0.1 tons per ton you want in the spin gravity - staterooms, bridge...
Non-gravitic hull mean power required due to the the hull displacement is halved, so 10 power points per 100t, which requires 2 tons of chemical power plant or 1.25 tons of fission plant... fuel wise you want a fission plant
So travel will be slow, burn and coast.
The first TL upgrade is the TL6 fission power plant can be reduced in size at TL7 from 1.25 tons for 10 power points to 1.125 tons (this is per 100t of ship)
There is an issue with sensors. Despite radar and lidar being commonplace in the real world at TL7 for some reason they don't appear in Traveller until TL8, perhaps this needs fixing in High Guard.
(radar is actually a TL5 invention is it not?)
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
That may explain it then
Not when the rules are in conflict.
One of the ship books has a High Guard addition section, they could do something like that with every ship book. I am a sucker for ship books...
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
The description of the bridge indicates that basic sensors are included within bridge tonnage
"All ships must have a bridge that contains basic controls, communications equipment, avionics, scanners, detectors, sensors and other equipment for proper operation of the ship"
The sensors are right there in vehicles TL7 range 5,000km, they just need to be in High Guard for consistency.
