Mongoose We Want 2E Counters.

[DB]

Full set of counters? I'd buy at least one set if not two.

Come on Matt, this would be easier than metal!

 

[Greg Smith]

I would think counters are essential if support for the game is going to continue.

 

[MustEatBrains]

Definitely! I can see games without miniatures work in historical settings, as there is always a source for gaming pieces, but with B5? There are only the old counter sets from 1st ed./SFOS, and a few pretty nice fan-made ones, but you don´t have the possibility to get anything B5ish from somewhere else. And sure the game can´t survive on fan-work alone, however great it may be?

I would love to see fleet-specific counter sets, circular, full colour, high resolution fleet specific counter sets. Now, circular is not a neccessity, but it would have the bigger visual appeal. Yes, such counters might cost a little, that´s why I say give each fleet it´s own set, less money for the individual to spend at one time, and might be more profitable in the end.

Anything, just not the black-and-white blobs from the rulebook...

 

[JayRaider]

Are we all in agreement that the production and release of New 2E ACTA counters are essential for 2008?
Since Mongoose are a publishing company shouldn't be to much a problem.
It would help lift spirits too.

 

[Grimbart_Kriegsaxt]

Agreed ^^

 

[darklord4]

I merged some top-down graphics I found

Where'd you get those top down graphics? I'd like to use some to make some Centauri counters if there are some Centauri pics. It took me forever to draw a Vorchan Yesterday.

 

[Xorrandor]

Are we all in agreement that the production and release of New 2E ACTA counters are essential for 2008?

Yes!

Since Mongoose are a publishing company shouldn't be to much a problem.

Maybe! Making thin cardstock counters like they have in the past shouldn't be a problem. If people demand something more substantial, that might pose problems.

 

[BuShips]

I merged some top-down graphics I found

Where'd you get those top down graphics? I'd like to use some to make some Centauri counters if there are some Centauri pics. It took me forever to draw a Vorchan Yesterday.

There are only a few designs. I found the ones for the three EarthForce ships on fan sites. Remember, these are images that the authors have rights to, so I'm not going to suggest that we storm the 'net like a bunch of pseudo-Rangers on a quest. :wink:

The purpose of my work is for showing concepts only. What I proposed to Mongoose in an email was for them to use photos of their studio models over a "space" background. That would recycle work that has already been done (and wonderfully by Adrian I might say) and bypass the need for creating all-new graphics for hundreds of ships.

Like you mentioned, if they used circle templates for the shape and weapons/turning marks, such as what you suggested and what I was thinking of as well by combining the graphics with my turning key bases, it would make for a very good solution for 2008.

 

[Necrage]

To keep ACTA alive counters are definatly necessary. If there come good quality counters of all the fleets, i will buy them.

So plz Mongoose start in working on Counters for ACTA ships, you won´t regret it .

 

[silashand]

I also would buy counters. Realistically there are many counter-only games out there and this would at the very least help keep the game alive. As a publishing company, this is definitely something Mongoose could do with existing resources.

Cheers, Gary

 

[No. 1 Bear]

I would buy counters and i've been wanting them for ages, i would porbably end up putting them on pieces of hardboard or some sort of MDF just for the ease of picking up the damn little thin things.

 

[BuShips]

It would be too costly to set up die-cut counters, so I'd say print them on "tag" cardstock (not thin paper). Then, players can decide to cut them out and use as-is or (as I would) mount them on a heavy backing.

 

[wpngjstr]

I'd be happy with PDFs that I could buy, and just print out on my own cardstock (say 1 pdf per fleet, at about $4-5 each?)

But I'd PREFER good quality countersheets I could buy

 

[BuShips]

Since Mongoose already offers its customers both versions, it would certainly be viable to offer either/both formats.

Here is a test idea with a white background for maximium contrast. I'd like to see a space background (even with those nebulas that were famous from the series) but you'd to keep it from drowning out the functional info.

 

[ShopKeepJon]

It would be too costly to set up die-cut counters, so I'd say print them on "tag" cardstock (not thin paper). Then, players can decide to cut them out and use as-is or (as I would) mount them on a heavy backing.

I really think that thick, attractive counters are necessary to draw in new players. It's a tactile/experience thing. Good components are just more satisfying.

I too think that it may not be practical for Mongoose to make the kind of thick counters that boardgame manufacturers use since they require specialized equipment.

What I'm now thinking is stickers. They do have the facilities to produce counters on sticky backed paper and several companies produce inexpensive wooden discs in varying sizes...

Two great tastes that taste great together(?)...

ShopKeepJon

 

[BuShips]

Yes, I'd think die-cutting on thick cardstock would not be necessary for Mongoose to offer a good product. There are not only wood disks available but even thin plastic can be cut with scissors.

Remember those plastic pre-school "counting" disks? I've bought bags of them and used them to add dimension to counters if glued to them. It allows your fingers to pick thin counters up easily and they do not need to be the same size as the counter. The ones I'm thinking of are 3.5 cm in diameter.

Oh, here's a "dejavu" warning. I dropped in this same graphic on the RIP topic. :wink:

 

[ShopKeepJon]

Yes, I'd think die-cutting on thick cardstock would not be necessary for Mongoose to offer a good product. There are not only wood disks available but even thin plastic can be cut with scissors.

Remember those plastic pre-school "counting" disks? I've bought bags of them and used them to add dimension to counters if glued to them. It allows your fingers to pick thin counters up easily and they do not need to be the same size as the counter. The ones I'm thinking of are 3.5 cm in diameter.

I was thinking wood discs because of the wide range of diameters readily available and their low cost. For example:
see these discs

ShopKeepJon

 

[BuShips]

I was thinking wood discs because of the wide range of diameters readily available and their low cost. For example:
see these discs

ShopKeepJon

I knew what you meant and you are correct that they'd work. Very easy to pick up, too. I've made custom counters for SST, using them for showing ammo status, etc. This was before several of the "laser cut" guys started offering cut plastic.

 

[ShopKeepJon]

I knew what you meant and you are correct that they'd work. Very easy to pick up, too. I've made custom counters for SST, using them for showing ammo status, etc. This was before several of the "laser cut" guys started offering cut plastic.

I was actually thinking of these guys, but I couldn't remember their name...

I only suggested the wooden discs because I haven't found a good source for a wide range of diameters in plastic. Do you know of any?

ShopKeepJon

 

[BuShips]

Although I still believe that flat quality counters are the best solution, here is something I dreamed up for those that already have large ships on the table. It shifts the counter idea more toward a 3-D effect, but is a poor substitute for having full-up models. Still, it is just an idea. I'd be promoting the disk/counter idea if I was Mongoose.