Mating Airlocks to Cargo Hatches

[MasterGwydion]

That would depend on how they're packed (in).

Usually, there's an air gap along the top, so you can lift them out with you hand forklift.

Futuristic ones could have pallets with inbuilt rollers.

If you can't rely on a sustained gravity field, you probably either have to lock down each pallet, or fill up the gaps.

As to actual dimensions:

ISO 668 - Wikipedia

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So, what you are saying is that a 3-ton cargo container cannot hold 3 tons of cargo, correct?

 

[Terry Mixon]

So, what you are saying is that a 3-ton cargo container cannot hold 3 tons of cargo, correct?

It looks like the displacement tons (13.5 cubic meters in this case) are accurate. I'm not going to worry about container thickness and just say they are one and the same. It's Traveller magic!

 

[Condottiere]

So, what you are saying is that a 3-ton cargo container cannot hold 3 tons of cargo, correct?

If I correctly understand where this is going, I'll state that I've always made fun of the paperthin hulls for spacecraft in Traveller.

Though, prima facie, I go along with an unarmoured default hull having available the stated usable volume.

As regards to real life containers, there is a set of outer dimensions that determines how much minimum volume they take up in a cargo hold, and a set of inner dimensions, that caps how much actual cargo they can contain.

 

[rinku]

If this is the volume of the entire container, then how much cargo can you actually fit into one? It would seem to me, that now We have no idea how much volume is available inside of the containers.

It's a shipping term. Actual technical jargon. The people doing the shipping don't actually care what the interior capacity is - that's customer stuff. They just need to know the exterior dimensions and to an extent the weight.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It looks like the displacement tons (13.5 cubic meters in this case) are accurate. I'm not going to worry about container thickness and just say they are one and the same. It's Traveller magic!

I can go with this. It is a granular detail that won't ever come into play anyhow.

 

[MasterGwydion]

It's a shipping term. Actual technical jargon. The people doing the shipping don't actually care what the interior capacity is - that's customer stuff. They just need to know the exterior dimensions and to an extent the weight.

A Spec Trader would need to know both of these things, but Terry's answer above works better.

 

[rinku]

Since cargo and freight in Traveller is framed from the point of view of the carrier, tonnage would be containers, not how much is in the containers. And, yeah, that will mean that some containers will have smaller capacity than others.

 

[rinku]

It will only ever come up if you own a cargo and are actually unpacking it for use, I would say.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Since cargo and freight in Traveller is framed from the point of view of the carrier, tonnage would be containers, not how much is in the containers. And, yeah, that will mean that some containers will have smaller capacity than others.

This is not correct. It is from the point of view of the PCs. PCs carry freight using the Freight rules, but also carry Spec Cargo, which makes them not just a carrier, but also a shipper.

 

[rinku]

Yeah, but all of it is considered in terms of what will fit into a cargo hold, PC, NPC, whoever. Packaging HAS to be part of that.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Yeah, but all of it is considered in terms of what will fit into a cargo hold, PC, NPC, whoever. Packaging HAS to be part of that.

So is 23 tons of Advanced Weapons in a cargo container? If so, what size? Do the prices on the spec trade chart include the cargo container and therefore their tonnage is included in the tonnage listed in the CRB? So, if I steal it, is the volume of what is in the cargo container the same or less than the amount of space it takes up in a cargo hold? It matters as it will make the tonnage stealable, and therefore saleable, differ depending on which is true.

I still like Terry's space magic approach. It is the easiest to work with.

 

[Terry Mixon]

So is 23 tons of Advanced Weapons in a cargo container? If so, what size? Do the prices on the spec trade chart include the cargo container and therefore their tonnage is included in the tonnage listed in the CRB? So, if I steal it, is the volume of what is in the cargo container the same or less than the amount of space it takes up in a cargo hold? It matters as it will make the tonnage stealable, and therefore saleable, differ depending on which is true.

I still like Terry's space magic approach. It is the easiest to work with.

Run with the container size for that.

 

[rinku]

23 tons of advanced weapons are a cargo lot that takes up 23 tons of volume.

What the mass of those weapons is, or how many or what type they are, or how they are packed INSIDE the container (highly, highly unlikely to just be thrown in as a pile...) is going to vary. By all means work that stuff out if you need to, but unless and until they are removed from however they are being shipped, OR if you are doing the packing to begin with, it doesn't matter.

Or, I dunno, assume an interior capacity of 95% and a wastage of 25% for the weapons being in crates. Or whatever seems logical.

 

[rinku]

In any case, all I did was look up what the term "cubic capacity" means in actual shipping terms, because the picture didn't say.

If you object to that usage, go complain to these guys:

Cubic Capacity: Understanding Its Legal Definition | US Legal Forms

Explore the legal definition of Cubic Capacity and its significance in maritime law. Learn how it's measured and its impact on shipping regulations.

legal-resources.uslegalforms.com

 

[Sigtrygg]

If in doubt return to classic Traveller:
"When determining the contents of a cargo, the players and referee must be certain to correlate the established price of goods with the cost per ton. For example, the base price of a shotgun is Cr150, while a ton of firearms as trade goods has a base price of Cr30,OOO. A strict weight extension of the shotgun (3.75 kg per shotgun) would indicate 266 shotguns. Extension should be instead based on price, with weight as a limiting factor. Thus one ton of shotguns would contain 200 guns, at Cr150 each. The extra weight can be considered packing and crates. Similar calculations should be made to keep prices in line on other trade goods."

 

[Condottiere]

You could use light weight plastic packing.

Weight limitations would be more based on package strength, and: