lastbesthope
Mongoose
Commander Q seems to have a good idea there.
LBH
LBH
I'm done for now. Call me if 3rd edition fixes things.
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O.K. Here is my first attempt at this great idea. Basically you have two choices for a given Point level.
Armageddon: 1 Armageddon or, 1 War and 1 Battle and 1 Raid.
War: 1 War or, 1 Battle and 1 Raid and 1 Skirmish.
Battle: 1 Battle or 1 Raid and 1 Skirmish.
Raid: 1 Raid or, 1 Skirmish and 1 Patrol
Skirmish: 1 Skirmish or 1 Patrol.
This limits the trading down for swarms of small ships and carries a slight penalty for taking ships outside a certain point level. To be able to take the largest and smallest ships for a scenario, a scenario can have multiple point values such as 1 Armageddon and 2 Raid. What do you think?
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
Commador Q said:
O.K. Here is my first attempt at this great idea. Basically you have two choices for a given Point level.
Armageddon: 1 Armageddon or, 1 War and 1 Battle and 1 Raid.
War: 1 War or, 1 Battle and 1 Raid and 1 Skirmish.
Battle: 1 Battle or 1 Raid and 1 Skirmish.
Raid: 1 Raid or, 1 Skirmish and 1 Patrol
Skirmish: 1 Skirmish or 1 Patrol.
This limits the trading down for swarms of small ships and carries a slight penalty for taking ships outside a certain point level. To be able to take the largest and smallest ships for a scenario, a scenario can have multiple point values such as 1 Armageddon and 2 Raid. What do you think?
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
ATN082268 said:
So, with 1 Armageddon you could buy you 6 skirmish and 4 patrol to max out the number of ships you can have.
I wonder how many skirmish and patrol level ships 1 Armageddon ship can pop in 1 round?
Whats the current max ships a fleet can have based on 1 Armageddon point?
l33tpenguin said:
With 1 Armageddon Point you have just 2 choices: 1 Armageddon level ship or, 1 War level ship and 1 Battle level ship and 1 Raid level ship. If you don't pick the single Armageddon level ship, then you get the 3 smaller ships. You do not buy up or down with the above Point levels as they merely refer to the Point level of a given Ship/Fighter. You can assign multiple Point Levels to a scenario (like 1 Armageddon and 1 Skirmish) if you want to take certain units or ones at the opposite ends of the spectrum.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
Ahhh! I got ya 
Tzarevitch
Mongoose
AdrianH said:
I was going to point that out too. Fleets with gaps at various priorities are boned. They'd need special exceptions.
Also, fleets like the Drazi are intended to swarm. They'd need an exemption too.
I'd agree that a reversion to the 1e rule would be better overall.
Tzarevitch
lastbesthope
Mongoose
l33tpenguin said:
Technically, 36, not counting fighter options.
1 Armageddon buys you 18 Patrol PL choices, use that to buy a Patrol PL 2 for 1, like a Tethys and you'll end up with 36 Teths for 1 Armageddon point.
Of course since fighters count as ships, the maximum would be 18 wings of whichever fighter option gives you the most flights to a wing.
LBH
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Well there you go, the answer is, as Marcus would say "A hell of a lot of ships!"
LBH
LBH
AdrianH said:
Well, among other things, Mongoose could always publish more priority levels for a certain race(s)
And as I pointed out, you can have multiple priority levels in a scenario. In addition, priority levels aren't fixed for a given scenario, with the possible exception of tournaments, which could take into account the existing gaps for certain races if need be.I'm not familar with the first edition rules but your suggestion might work if I understand you right.
With a Point level of Armageddon would 1 point of Armageddon look like this?
1 Armageddon= 2 War = 3 battle= 4 Raid= 5 Skirmish= 6 Patrol.
Is there a similar penalty for buying upward?
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
How about this? (like 1st ed. but with a more even points distribution)
Ship is same Priority Level as Scenario 1 per ship/wing
Ship is one Priority Level higher 2 per ship/wing
Ship is two Priority Level higher 4 per ship/wing
Ship is three Priority Level higher 8 per ship/wing
Ship is four Priority Level higher 16 per ship/wing
Ship is five Priority Level higher 32 per ship/wing
Ship is one Priority Level lower 1 point buys 2 ships/wings
Ship is two Priority Level lower 1 point buys 3 ships/wings
Ship is three Priority Level lower 1 point buys 5 ships/wings
Ship is four Priority Level lower 1 point buys 8 ships/wings
Ship is five Priority Level lower 1 point buys 12 ships/wings
Which means for example an Armageddon FAP could be split as follows:
2 War
1 War, 2 Battle
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Raid
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 3 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 5 Patrol
1 War, 3 Raid
1 War, 2 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 2 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 2 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 5 Skirmish
1 War, 4 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 8 Patrol
3 Battle
2 Battle, 2 Raid
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 2 Skirmish
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 3 Patrol
2 Battle, 3 Skirmish
2 Battle, 2 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
2 Battle, 5 Patrol
5 Raid
4 Raid, 2 Skirmish
4 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
4 Raid, 3 Patrol
8 Skirmish
7 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
12 Patrol
Ship is same Priority Level as Scenario 1 per ship/wing
Ship is one Priority Level higher 2 per ship/wing
Ship is two Priority Level higher 4 per ship/wing
Ship is three Priority Level higher 8 per ship/wing
Ship is four Priority Level higher 16 per ship/wing
Ship is five Priority Level higher 32 per ship/wing
Ship is one Priority Level lower 1 point buys 2 ships/wings
Ship is two Priority Level lower 1 point buys 3 ships/wings
Ship is three Priority Level lower 1 point buys 5 ships/wings
Ship is four Priority Level lower 1 point buys 8 ships/wings
Ship is five Priority Level lower 1 point buys 12 ships/wings
Which means for example an Armageddon FAP could be split as follows:
2 War
1 War, 2 Battle
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Raid
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 1 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 3 Skirmish
1 War, 1 Battle, 2 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 1 Battle, 5 Patrol
1 War, 3 Raid
1 War, 2 Raid, 2 Skirmish
1 War, 2 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 2 Raid, 3 Patrol
1 War, 5 Skirmish
1 War, 4 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
1 War, 8 Patrol
3 Battle
2 Battle, 2 Raid
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 2 Skirmish
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
2 Battle, 1 Raid, 3 Patrol
2 Battle, 3 Skirmish
2 Battle, 2 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
2 Battle, 5 Patrol
5 Raid
4 Raid, 2 Skirmish
4 Raid, 1 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
4 Raid, 3 Patrol
8 Skirmish
7 Skirmish, 2 Patrol
12 Patrol
lastbesthope
Mongoose
I can see advantages in allowing people to skip PLs in a point split.
LBH
LBH
Triggy said:
Thanks for the reference. I'm not sure what the 1st edition chart looked like exactly but compared to the above chart, there is a 50% increase in Patrol level ships for the current system. The above chart is certainly an improvement over the current one.
Personally I don't care what system is used, so long as it is a relatively accurate system. I don't consider the current FAP system as an accurate way to measure the capability of fleets. The current system encourages taking swarms of ships to win and the only way to effectively combat that is to also take swarms of ships. Boring...
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
Hello,
After thinking about it and hearing feedback, I have settled on an alternative for the current Fleet Allocation point Breakdown for the A Call to Arms game.
Every unit is rated at a certain priority level. The priority levels are from highest to lowest:
1. Ancient
2. Armageddon
3. War
4. Battle
5. Raid
6. Skirmish
7. Patrol
One point for a given priority level will be able to purchase one unit for that priority level. A scenario can have a varying number of priority levels and points for those levels, such as 2 War and 2 Skirmish. If a player desires to, they may purchase units from one priority level higher or one priority level lower than the priority levels of the scenario. Purchasing a higher priority level unit reduces the points used by one-half and purchasing a lower priority level unit increases the points used by double.
In the case of 2 War and 2 Skirmish, a player could select 1 War, 2 Battle and 1 Raid. A scenario will, by default, include War and Skirmish levels so as to give players a broad selection of units. If a scenario does not specify the number of points available to each priority level, then it can be determined by the players or 2D6 can be rolled on the chart below to determine them randomly.
2D6
On the result of a 2, 0ne point.
On the result of 3-5, Two points.
On the result of 6-8, Three points.
On the result of 9-11, Four points.
On the result of a 12, Five points.
So a 2D6 result of a 7 would result in 3 War and 3 Skirmish level units. With this result, a player could purchase 6 Battle level units and 6 Patrol level units.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
After thinking about it and hearing feedback, I have settled on an alternative for the current Fleet Allocation point Breakdown for the A Call to Arms game.
Every unit is rated at a certain priority level. The priority levels are from highest to lowest:
1. Ancient
2. Armageddon
3. War
4. Battle
5. Raid
6. Skirmish
7. Patrol
One point for a given priority level will be able to purchase one unit for that priority level. A scenario can have a varying number of priority levels and points for those levels, such as 2 War and 2 Skirmish. If a player desires to, they may purchase units from one priority level higher or one priority level lower than the priority levels of the scenario. Purchasing a higher priority level unit reduces the points used by one-half and purchasing a lower priority level unit increases the points used by double.
In the case of 2 War and 2 Skirmish, a player could select 1 War, 2 Battle and 1 Raid. A scenario will, by default, include War and Skirmish levels so as to give players a broad selection of units. If a scenario does not specify the number of points available to each priority level, then it can be determined by the players or 2D6 can be rolled on the chart below to determine them randomly.
2D6
On the result of a 2, 0ne point.
On the result of 3-5, Two points.
On the result of 6-8, Three points.
On the result of 9-11, Four points.
On the result of a 12, Five points.
So a 2D6 result of a 7 would result in 3 War and 3 Skirmish level units. With this result, a player could purchase 6 Battle level units and 6 Patrol level units.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
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