Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
The rules, taken to their natural conclusion, dictate this outcome.
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That's a nicely circular argument. Question: Why are the rules the way they are? A: It works that way because the rules dictate that it works that way.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
It's called gaming the system.
Why do ambitious parents save up funds to send their kids to college, or teenagers take out loans to do so?
Why are college costs rising?
Because that's the way the system was structured and evolved to be exploited.
Why do ambitious parents save up funds to send their kids to college, or teenagers take out loans to do so?
Why are college costs rising?
Because that's the way the system was structured and evolved to be exploited.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Supply and demand. Certain groups have propagandized the value of having ANY degree, so people who have no business going to college go, but cannot pass STEM classes. So, they take imaginary classes in the SJW category. Those "career" paths have no chance of ever paying off the student loans, unless you luck out and get an imaginary DEI director job. Removing government funding from those fake classes and requiring payment in full up front for those classes would mean that only rich socialites who do not need money would take them, thereby encouraging people who are not college material to move into the trades, where they belong. The demand will decrease and REAL college courses will become cheaper.
My apologies if my objection to teaching Nietzsche's Slave Morality, the same evil philosophy that 1930's Germany used on a target population, in modern universities as a model for society offends you.
Ok, sorry-not-sorry.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Except, historically you are wrong. Public colleges in the US were extremely cheap relative to income until Reagan became the Governor of California and made all public colleges for profit. After he became President this went national. Before this you could work a part time job and pay for your full college tuition. Why did this happen you may ask? Because at the time, most college-educated adults voted and gave money to the Democratic Party. How to fix that problem? Make college for the wealthy, and mire anyone else who wants to go in a lifetime of debt. People are easy to manipulate if you make them poor and uneducated. The government wanted less people in colleges, because during the Vietnam War, students were considered the enemy of the government. Simple solution, make it more expensive so less people can afford it and cripple your "enemies" with debt.
College is not just for STEM, it is for artists, and writers, and philosophers as well. What offends Me is people who preach history but never actually learned it. Oh wait. I understand, history isn't STEM. Let Me guess, you believe in "trickle-down economics" as well? Tooth Fairy? Santa Claus? The institutional Christian sky god?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
You can pick any number of examples, and figure out how the structure has been corrupted.
The point is, the rules as published will eventually lead to certain outcomes.
The point is, the rules as published will eventually lead to certain outcomes.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
History BA, who can easily pass STEM classes. Also a Masters in Public Administration. In spite of what you are saying, I was able to afford to go to college on a lower middle class salary without loans or debt PRIOR to useful idiots (an historically accurate technical term) reaching critical mass. Supply and demand. SJW artificially elevates the demand. Art has a purpose. History has a purpose. Writing has a purpose, when you aren't perverting it as an SJW propaganda engine, which is why Hollywood is in a death spiral. Even Sociology has a purpose, even if it is mostly to make space for Sociology professors.
SJW and DEI has no purpose, beyond indoctrinating people into a racist mindset and dependence upon the government, and gives no prospect of repaying the elevated college costs that their presence has brought on.
My assessment is valid: Cash for SJW would reduce the costs of college AND put the people victimized by leftist indoctrination on a path to earn money without depending on government handouts.
As to your aspersions on religious freedom, no, I do not worship the cult of socialism. How very tolerant of you.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Blocked.
So, as I said, you are talking about something completely different. The question is Why are the rules being made this way? What is the game play purpose? How does it make the game better? Your answer "It is the way it is because that's the way it is" is irrelevant and frankly, unhelpful.
If there is a specific purpose to imposing these limits, I'd like to know what that is. It does not appear to model how maritime ship refits work. It does not appear to make game play better in any way I can see. So I want to know what the decision making was.
I understand the effect of the rule. I want to know if that effect was the intended one and, if so, why? I would not be surprised if it was just a hoary legacy of the old days of fixed engine compartments and standard engine sizes, both of which are long gone from the system. But if that is not the case and it remains as a rule for a reason, I would like to know what that reason is.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
As I said, how tolerant of you.
There SHOULD be room for all opinions, not just those you agree with.
This is the main problem with so many people today. Their Echo Chamber dictates what ideas are acceptable. Unfortunately, most such group-approved ideas do not stand up to factual scrutiny.
But let's be clear, racism is NEVER acceptable, and CRT/DEI is the very definition of racism.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Why are Traveller design rules the way they are?
1. Legacy.
2. Not adapted to current edition.
3. Going by the resulting published text, not really thought through.
I distinguish between what might be possible, what's actually printed, which means what might be possible would basically be my take on it, and what's actually printed is canon.
If canon is bloody vague, then it's open to interpretation.
Gaming the system requires being on solid ground regarding canon design rules.
1. Legacy.
2. Not adapted to current edition.
3. Going by the resulting published text, not really thought through.
I distinguish between what might be possible, what's actually printed, which means what might be possible would basically be my take on it, and what's actually printed is canon.
If canon is bloody vague, then it's open to interpretation.
Gaming the system requires being on solid ground regarding canon design rules.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
1. I didn't write the text.
2. What's definite is that without a functioning gravitic based manoeuvre drive, you burn up on atmospheric reentry without heat shielding.
3. That means that even on heavy gravity worlds, a factor one manoeuvre drive ensures I won't burn up on atmospheric reentry, assuming the heavy gravity world has an atmosphere.
4. Factor zero gravitic based manoeuvre drives are listed.
5. Broadly seen, that means I can survive atmospheric reentry if my spacecraft is equipped with them.
6. This seems to be confirmed by detachable bridges, that can have planetary soft landings with their organic manoeuvre drive factor zero.
7. I use the word "seems", because, I, personally, doubt this.
8. However, rules as written assuage my doubts.
9. As well as that regarding heavy gravity worlds.
2. What's definite is that without a functioning gravitic based manoeuvre drive, you burn up on atmospheric reentry without heat shielding.
3. That means that even on heavy gravity worlds, a factor one manoeuvre drive ensures I won't burn up on atmospheric reentry, assuming the heavy gravity world has an atmosphere.
4. Factor zero gravitic based manoeuvre drives are listed.
5. Broadly seen, that means I can survive atmospheric reentry if my spacecraft is equipped with them.
6. This seems to be confirmed by detachable bridges, that can have planetary soft landings with their organic manoeuvre drive factor zero.
7. I use the word "seems", because, I, personally, doubt this.
8. However, rules as written assuage my doubts.
9. As well as that regarding heavy gravity worlds.
OriginalCaruso
Banded Mongoose
Canon really doesn’t matter to my group. They want a framework rule set only, and hand wave the tedium. I keep my game rules light and focus on playability not managing spreadsheets or constant lookups
They can mod their ship pretty much as they like and equally I can mod NPC ships as I like - yes, there are boundaries but not hard and fast
TTRPGs in general are moving to a rules light approach which IMHO is great - less to remember. But equally, my bookshelves grown under the weight of rule books and expansions
This is a fun hobby where playability over restrictive rules wins every time
They can mod their ship pretty much as they like and equally I can mod NPC ships as I like - yes, there are boundaries but not hard and fast
TTRPGs in general are moving to a rules light approach which IMHO is great - less to remember. But equally, my bookshelves grown under the weight of rule books and expansions
This is a fun hobby where playability over restrictive rules wins every time
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
MTU is outside of Canon in many areas (I added space dwarves to one system outside of Zhodani Space and the Emperor of Man and Space Marines to one system, 0113 of the Frankfurt Subsector), so I mainly use Canon to double-check the rules. If I see something cool in Canon, I usually go, "Oooo! That's cool! How did they do that?" Then I go and find the rules that they used to make the cool thing happen and I look for other ways to use that same rule to do different cool stuff.
For Me the ruleset of a system are the same as the laws of physics are to Us. They define how things work and the limits of what is possible, but as with physics, all rules have conditions that allow them to be bent. Like Gravity. You can not flap your arms a fly because of gravity, but if you make your arms into wings, you still won't be able to fly. Why? Gravity? Although if you add atmosphere that is dense enough, even with gravity, you can fly. As an example of, "If you know how, you can bend or modify the law of gravity by using other laws."
Like right now, I just had the thought wondering if you can create a zero-gravity field on a planetary surface using grav-plates on the ground and up in the sky. Would this allow you to have an area with atmosphere while still having zero gravity? Trains flying through the sky in zero-G propelled by mechanical wings? or fins like in scuba diving that may allow you to fly with just the power of your arms and legs?
I have to think like this because I have players that think so far outside of the box that it is crazy. I had a group of D&D players once who killed a Mock Dragon, taxidermized it into a battlewagon (when pushed down a hill) / food truck that travelled with a circus as their cover as spies. They called it their Mock, Mock Dragon.
I know most of you guys think I am nuts for all of the off of the wall questions I ask on here, but with these players, I really do need to know. lol
Thank again guys for putting up with Me.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
The answer to all of those is yes.
Fins would need to be large. Regular swim fins would not push much air.
wintertraveller
Banded Mongoose
The rules for retrofitting ships were first published the Trillion Credit Squadron in the campaign section of the TCS book and were presented as rules for refitting fleets in a TCS campaign. The latest rules published in the 2022 HG update are nearly identical to the original TCS rules.
For the most part, these rules still work well on adventure class ships and I was glad to see these rules included in the 2022 update.
In a shipyard focused on hot rod rebuilds of adventure class ships, I imagine that some of the limitations presented for TCS campaigns could be adjusted with roleplay. The black market rules might be applicable to the special shipyard work of this nature. Restoration of antique ships might also require special handling along these lines.
For the most part, these rules still work well on adventure class ships and I was glad to see these rules included in the 2022 update.
In a shipyard focused on hot rod rebuilds of adventure class ships, I imagine that some of the limitations presented for TCS campaigns could be adjusted with roleplay. The black market rules might be applicable to the special shipyard work of this nature. Restoration of antique ships might also require special handling along these lines.
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