Fires on Ships - Your Opinion Needed!

[Burger]

LOX is cool

 

[Reaverman]

The per round damage wouldn't be multiplied by DD, I would hope so anyway. Looks like it's a negative for fires but they are fun but then we also have modded SA's as well which can help vs fires. The choice between try to do all hands to deck SA or Damage or Crew save one. Take the damage or crew and no damage Contro but could save from being cripples/skelton crewed and easier to do than get the All hands to Deck which may not work at all. I guess this is why we have having fun with our house rules.

Technically it would effect round by round, or are you saying a fire started by a giga joule laser, is going to be the same blow torch. The following turn, the fires going to be just as ferocious.

 

[Target]

The per round damage wouldn't be multiplied by DD, I would hope so anyway. Looks like it's a negative for fires but they are fun but then we also have modded SA's as well which can help vs fires. The choice between try to do all hands to deck SA or Damage or Crew save one. Take the damage or crew and no damage Contro but could save from being cripples/skelton crewed and easier to do than get the All hands to Deck which may not work at all. I guess this is why we have having fun with our house rules.

Technically it would effect round by round, or are you saying a fire started by a giga joule laser, is going to be the same blow torch. The following turn, the fires going to be just as ferocious.

The ongoing fire can only burn as hot as the fuel feeding it.

 

[Alexb83]

I had to vote no - fires in a terrestrial environment are one thing, but on a ship in space they are something else entirely. You have a fire blazing out of control, even one which supplies its own oxygen? You overpressurise the compartment and vent it into space, flushing out the fuel and the fire together.

Before you over-rationalise and say 'but what about the crew?!' - when you fight a fire onboard a ship, you do not think about the crew, you think about the ship, and keeping it afloat.

I think fires as criticals are fine as is. Adding another level of complexity is a bit redundant. Any fire on a ship in space should be automatically extinguished so long as it isn't crippled or on a skeleton crew (or incapable of damage control).

 

[Alexb83]

Fires burning in a vacuum? (Or setting fire to the atmosphere of Jupiter) Known Physics...just wrong.

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source. So, if you were in the atmosphere of Jupiter and found a gas cloud with a sufficient hydrogen/oxygen mix, you could ignite it, simple as. Also, you'd have a nice floating cloud of water vapour afterward.
If a missile hit your ship, the propellant (usually consisting of an oxidising agent as well as the fuel) would keep burning, even if it was sat in a compartment open to space, until such time as either the fuel or oxygen ran out.

 

[Burger]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

 

[Alexb83]

In B5, the Churchill was shown ablaze through huge rents in her hull - she'd have decompressed so fast the fire would have been out in seconds.

The important thing, however, is that it wasn't. It lasted long enough for the scene to play out. This is a Babylon 5 game. What hapened in B5 should happen here. Realism has no place other than where it fits the source material.

Wulf

Also, you don't know how much of what was visible in that shot was super-heated metal or residual plasma glowing, rather than flame, and so on, and so on.

 

[Alexb83]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Well, in that case, space isn't a uniform vacuum. Does that make this argument redundant?

 

[Reaverman]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Burger you can burn something in a vacuum, how else does the engines on the shuttle work. It feeds Oxygen to the motors, as part of its thrust!

 

[Burger]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Well, in that case, space isn't a uniform vacuum. Does that make this argument redundant?

Totally
Fire needs something to burn. If there is a vacuum, there can be no . If gases are being vented then they can burn, but nothing cannot burn!

 

[Alexb83]

Double... negative... *head explodes*

 

[Burger]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Burger you can burn something in a vacuum, how else does the engines on the shuttle work. It feeds Oxygen to the motors, as part of its thrust!

The presence of oxygen means it's not a vacuum.
It might be surrounded by vacuum but thats another issue!

 

[Shadow Queen]

Dont forget that the bodies of the crew contane a limited amount of oxygen and they are a source of fuel (sorry to be morbid here)

 

[Alexb83]

There's nothing to stop fire burning in a vacuum, provided that fuel and oxygen are there with the ignition source.

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Burger you can burn something in a vacuum, how else does the engines on the shuttle work. It feeds Oxygen to the motors, as part of its thrust!

I think the point is that we should be saying 'burning surrounded by a vacuum' rather than 'in a vacuum'. The latter could mean many things... pyromaniacs with Hoovers spring to mind.

 

[Reaverman]

The presence of fuel means its not a vacuum

Burger you can burn something in a vacuum, how else does the engines on the shuttle work. It feeds Oxygen to the motors, as part of its thrust!

The presence of oxygen means it's not a vacuum.
It might be surrounded by vacuum but thats another issue!

Your rhetoric is futile at best, there is a vacuum. Its called space, and there is a fire burning with a Oxygen source.

 

[Burger]

Burger you can burn something in a vacuum, how else does the engines on the shuttle work. It feeds Oxygen to the motors, as part of its thrust!

The presence of oxygen means it's not a vacuum.
It might be surrounded by vacuum but thats another issue!

Your rhetoric is futile at best, there is a vacuum. Its called space, and there is a fire burning with a Oxygen source.

vacuum/vækyum –noun 1. a space entirely devoid of matter.
Oxygen = matter.
The oxygen is burning.
Therefore, the fire is not occurring in a vacuum.

Like I said it is surrounded by vacuum but thats not the same thing is it?

 

[Alexb83]

Well, really the fuel is burning, not the oxygen

In addition, you can burn things without oxygen. Thioformaldehyde in Flourine, for example.

 

[Reaverman]

The presence of oxygen means it's not a vacuum.
It might be surrounded by vacuum but thats another issue!

Your rhetoric is futile at best, there is a vacuum. Its called space, and there is a fire burning with a Oxygen source.

vacuum/vækyum –noun 1. a space entirely devoid of matter.
Oxygen = matter.
The oxygen is burning.
Therefore, the fire is not occurring in a vacuum.

Like I said it is surrounded by vacuum but thats not the same thing is it?

MER MER MER

what about if the oxygen is in pellet form?

 

[katadder]

on a ship the oxygen will all rush out very quick, leaving no oxygen left to burn as blast doors will close stopping the entire ships air supply form exiting. and what about those races that dont breath oxygen? have methane on board so a fire would be automatic death due to explosive gasses blowing the ship apart.

 

[Reaverman]

on a ship the oxygen will all rush out very quick, leaving no oxygen left to burn as blast doors will close stopping the entire ships air supply form exiting. and what about those races that dont breath oxygen? have methane on board so a fire would be automatic death due to explosive gasses blowing the ship apart.

Methane will only burn in the presence of Oxygen Katadder, in fact high levelsof Methane in our atmosphere will not burn (about 15% or more, though dont quote me)