Yes, of course. But then you have no PD and lose automatically to missile heavy opponents. Hm, I can make a module with the barbette or some PD turrets... OK, I'm overreacting.Nerhesi said:AnotherDilbert said:
I think you meant sub-35 ton fighters right? Because fighters that are 35 tons and over can carry firmpoint barbettes, which means they can have 4D and 5D barbettes
That would do nicely.Nerhesi said:
TL 15 HullP 93,025
19,2
Desired Rat # dTonn Cost Power
Hull 40,0 8
Config CloseStructure 4 4 3,8
HullStrength Reinforced 3 3
Armour BondedSuperdense 15 15 4,8 4,5
Rad Shielding 1 1 1,0
ManœuvreD HiTech,2*EneEf 9 9 1 3,6 10,8 18
PowerP 1 2,1 4,1 41
Fuel, Power 4 20 1 1,0
ReactionD HiTech,3*FuelEf 16 16 1 12,8 3,8
Reaction Fuel 7,0 turns 1 1 7,2
Cockpit 1 1 1,5 0,0
Holographic 1 1 0,0
Comp CORE/50 10 50 1 60,0
Evade/3 BW:25 3,0
Point Defence/2 BW:15
FireControl/5 BW:25
VirtualCrew/0 BW: 5 1,0
AstroMech Droid 1,0
Sensors Basic 1
Module 7,0I could not make it 35 dT, I had to go to 40 dT.Nerhesi said:
I'm thinking of something like the Island Cluster campaign in old TCS, a lot of small states. Some of them will design their fleets around missiles, others will ignore missiles. I have to be able to fight both.wbnc said:
Challenge accepted.AnotherDilbert said:
TL 15 HullP 34,025
19,2
Desired Rat # dTonn Cost Power
Hull 40,0 8
Config CloseStructure 4 4 3,8
HullStrength Reinforced 3 3
Armour BondedSuperdense 15 15 4,8 4,5
Rad Shielding 1 1 1,0
ManœuvreD HiTech,2*EneEf 9 9 1 3,6 10,8 18
PowerP 1 2,1 4,1 41
Fuel, Power 4 20 1 1,0
ReactionD HiTech,3*FuelEf 16 16 1 12,8 3,8
Reaction Fuel 7,0 turns 1 1 7,2
Cockpit 1 1 1,5 0,0
Holographic 1 1 0,0
Comp m/15 2 15 1 2,0
Evade/2 BW:15 2,0
Point Defence/2 BW:15
FireControl/3 BW:15
VirtualCrew/0 BW: 5 1,0
AstroMech Droid 1,0
Sensors Basic 1
Module 7,0 
TL 15 HullP 30,1805
17,04
Desired Rat # dTonn Cost Power
Hull 35,5 7
Config CloseStructure 4 4 3,4
HullStrength Reinforced 3 3
Armour BondedSuperdense 15 15 4,3 4,1
Rad Shielding 1 1 0,9
ManœuvreD HiTech,2*EneEf 9 9 1 3,2 9,6 16
PowerP 1 1,9 3,8 38
Fuel, Power 4 21 1 1,0
ReactionD HiTech,3*FuelEf 16 16 1 11,4 3,4
Reaction Fuel 8,0 turns 1 1 7,3
Cockpit 1 1 1,5 0,0
Holographic 1 1 0,0
Comp m/15 3 15 1 2,0
Evade/2 BW:15 2,0
Point Defence/2 BW:15
FireControl/3 BW:15
AstroMech Droid 1,0
Sensors Basic 1
Module 5,0I'm not overfond of these ridiculous sub 2 dT drones I made. They were an experiment. The lack of skill in the drones necessitates making them very cheap, so we can have very many of them. I'll trust Search&Rescue to pick up most of the destroyed fighters' crew.Chas said:
A carrier fighter needs to be as small as possible (35 dT), a planet-based fighter is much less sensitive. Note that in my last build above the carrier cost 3 times as much as the fighter airframe.Chas said:
It does seem that computers, and software, costs are the limiting factor in fighter design. The most successful scheme I can come up with is mixing single role fighters, escort ( good PD) EW and strike, on the offensive side..AnotherDilbert said:
this is pretty much how I see EVERY ship, or fighter development program running.AnotherDilbert said:
)Chas said:The Corsair Missile Space Superiority Boat is a ship of indeterminate nomenclature. It could be called an ultra heavy fighter in some navies, or as often referred to, a pocket battle rider, as many of its predecessors of similar abilities were of significantly larger size.
The Corsair is a bleeding edge craft that at first was soundly rejected by the appropriations board in view of its price tag. It had taken careful coaxing to get an experimental version built and trialed where upon its true capabilities were finally perceived. As Admiral Crison remarked, its value lies in the fact it can perform a multitude of roles, as opposed to a vast lumbering carrier and its load of strike fighters which only has one battle field function and nothing outside that. The Corsair is a scout, intruder, patrol vessel, space superiority fighter, sniper and escort. It has the firepower and speed to destroy the smaller maximum thrust ships that might catch it, with its Parthian shot tactics of running away while firing missiles as it retreats. It carries all the equipment that smaller ships lack, able to protect itself from nuclear weapons and indulge in electronic warfare and long range detection while still maintaining a formidable sting. It is a patrolling scout ship able to take matters into its own hands depending on what it finds, or running away at need.
On such a vessel the navy is willing to expend its truly elite crew members, the pilot and sensor operator. And for critical missions its computer is easily upgraded to include additional software, despite the eye watering cost.
Went to town on this wanting to see just where I could push a Thrust 16 build and have my cake. I couldn’t do it, the bridge tonnage really kicks in at these low 100s of dTons, unless you’re prepared to accept the -1 penalty on a small bridge you have to build bigger and lower thrust or start to really lose firepower vs. a straight M drive only ship. Here I backed off to the tightest smallest build I could. I’ve just managed to squeeze in the bells and whistles in a 200 ton hull such that it’s down a barbette to bay for relative firepower to a non very high thrust ship. It just gets worse after that.
Still I do like the final result regardless. I’m a big fan of drop tanks and have a whole slew of potential builds to go up using these once the rules get firmed up. And to heck with the cost of this SSB as I think the multi role function of the vessel does justify it, though I did pull my head in when it came to an electronics warfare package or tactics package, that pricing along with the computer cost for bandwidth to run it is brutal.
I’ll put this up and see how it flies. May have to give up a couple of wish list items there for ammo or more fuel.
To explain it is Thrust 10 from the reaction drive initially, getting better till it’s thrust 13 from the 50% fuel on board after the drop tanks are complete dropped after 5 turns.
200 ton hull. 225 tons with drop tanks to carry as a rider. It is M9 with the weight of the drop tanks included.
Edit: Meh. The damper should be MCr15. What's next
