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[Terry Mixon]

Where is the specific location of the Engineer specified?


Sure, you could house-rule that, but RAW specifically says it's part of the bridge.

So, you expect the engineer to operate the jump drive from the bridge? That's a big stretch.

As nothing anywhere indicates the engineer does anything from the bridge, nor have I ever seen an engineering position on the bridge, I'll let that be my answer. If you have a quote from anywhere that says an engineer leaves the engine room to go to the bridge to initiate a jump, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, Occam's Razor applies.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Where is the specific location of the Engineer specified?


Sure, you could house-rule that, but RAW specifically says it's part of the bridge.

As Mongoose has clarified that the systems don't have to be in a physical bridge, I'm not house ruling anything. As far as I can tell, it is all rolled up in the sensor suite as that is the only component that is paid for. Basic sensors--free for everyone--means basic communications and such.

In the end, Mongoose settled this. No bridge required. As far as I'm concerned, that's good enough.

 

[MasterGwydion]

As Mongoose has clarified that the systems don't have to be in a physical bridge, I'm not house ruling anything. As far as I can tell, it is all rolled up in the sensor suite as that is the only component that is paid for. Basic sensors--free for everyone--means basic communications and such.

In the end, Mongoose settled this. No bridge required. As far as I'm concerned, that's good enough.

Also, the cost of the bridge is dependent on the size of the ship, not the size of the bridge. So, that is something that is paid for that varies without the tonnage of the bridge changing.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Also, the cost of the bridge is dependent on the size of the ship, not the size of the bridge. So, that is something that is paid for that varies without the tonnage of the bridge changing.

An excellent point.

 

[MasterGwydion]

An excellent point.

This hints at being able to lose the tonnage of the bridge but still having to pay the cost of the bridge.

 

[Terry Mixon]

This hints at being able to lose the tonnage of the bridge but still having to pay the cost of the bridge.

And I have no issue with that at all. Maybe a percentage deduction for the cost of the consoles and fittings. 10% 20%? Maybe even 25%?

What say you, @paltrysum? Is the cost already covered in the other equipment, or do we pay the bridge price with perhaps a modest rebate?

 

[Fluffy Bunny Feet]

Small bridges are 1/2 as much so no bridges 1/4?

 

[Terry Mixon]

Small bridges are 1/2 as much so no bridges 1/4?

Put in a cockpit and call it a day. Literally, since they can only stay in it for a day.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Tossing in a robot brain that can astrogate. It's not a conscious intelligence, but I got it to Astrogation 6, so that DM-4 drops it into normal sophont astrogator territory. That makes it just as safe for the ship as most astrogators. See your MixCorp representative for volume discount quotes today!

 

[mavikfelna]

Tossing in a robot brain that can astrogate. It's not a conscious intelligence, but I got it to Astrogation 6, so that DM-4 drops it into normal sophont astrogator territory. That makes it just as safe for the ship as most astrogators. See your MixCorp representative for volume discount quotes today!

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My question from the Ask Anything thread:

If a ship has a ship's brain or robot with Astrogation skill, and there is no bridge, but there is a live person aboard that could check the calculations from their stateroom computer, does it suffer a -8 DM for full automation and no Astrogator check, or just the -4 DM for automated Astrogation? Does having a bridge make a difference to this?

Does a bridge make a difference if it's just the AI rolling with its Astrogation skill?

What do you think?

 

[MasterGwydion]

Tossing in a robot brain that can astrogate. It's not a conscious intelligence, but I got it to Astrogation 6, so that DM-4 drops it into normal sophont astrogator territory. That makes it just as safe for the ship as most astrogators. See your MixCorp representative for volume discount quotes today!

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Give it Engineering and it can task chain the jump itself. lol

 

[Terry Mixon]

Give it Engineering and it can task chain the jump itself. lol

That's what the Standard Engineering Droid is for.

 

[Terry Mixon]

My question from the Ask Anything thread:

If a ship has a ship's brain or robot with Astrogation skill, and there is no bridge, but there is a live person aboard that could check the calculations from their stateroom computer, does it suffer a -8 DM for full automation and no Astrogator check, or just the -4 DM for automated Astrogation? Does having a bridge make a difference to this?

Does a bridge make a difference if it's just the AI rolling with its Astrogation skill?

What do you think?

If you have Bob The Space Cowboy along for the ride, the DM for automated astrogation drops to DM-2 when he uses his magic darts to pick a random plot and presses the accept button while drunk (separate negative DMs apply). The lack of a bridge makes no difference mechanically. I'm not familiar with the use of automation, so I can't answer that.

 

[Condottiere]

At fifty tonnes, a virtual cockpit means neither tonnage, nor cost, required.

Not, that it really makes that much of a difference.

I guess, you could think of it as an actual automated taxi.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

So, you expect the engineer to operate the jump drive from the bridge? That's a big stretch.

I don't, lots of people here do...

Nothing in the rules specify either way.

 

[AnotherDilbert]

As Mongoose has clarified that the systems don't have to be in a physical bridge, I'm not house ruling anything. As far as I can tell, it is all rolled up in the sensor suite as that is the only component that is paid for. Basic sensors--free for everyone--means basic communications and such.

The rules still explicitly say comms and sensors included in the bridge.
Paltrysum said nothing about comms or basic sensors...

 

[Sigtrygg]

HG'22, p19:
All ships must have a bridge that contains basic controls, communications equipment, avionics, scanners, detectors, sensors and other equipment for proper operation of the ship.

Get rid of the bridge how do you account for avionics, comms, and other equipment for proper operation of the ship.

There needs to be a subdivision into avionics - comms - controls - sensors - other

 

[MasterGwydion]

HG'22, p19:
All ships must have a bridge that contains basic controls, communications equipment, avionics, scanners, detectors, sensors and other equipment for proper operation of the ship.

Get rid of the bridge how do you account for avionics, comms, and other equipment for proper operation of the ship.

There needs to be a subdivision into avionics - comms - controls - sensors - other

Sensors have their own price and tonnage. Computers have their own price but no tonnage. The "other stuff" that is part of the bridge has a price but no tonnage as well. 0.5MCr per 100 tons of ship, regardless of the size of the standard bridge.

 

[Sigtrygg]

External sensors have their own division, these are internal sensors I would expect.

Avionics, control linkages and relays should not be free, there should be a tonnage cost.

 

[Terry Mixon]

External sensors have their own division, these are internal sensors I would expect.

Avionics, control linkages and relays should not be free, there should be a tonnage cost.

With a 10% wiggle room, that amount of tonnage is a rounding error. The space for sophonts eats up the vast majority of a bridge’s tonnage allotment. The credits ( or some portion of them) I can agree need to be paid, though.