Cannot wrap my head around wafer jacks.

The things that make up computers are software and hardware.

Software tells it how to behave, and hardware the physical limitations of it's performance.
That isn't just a hardware issue. Many of the bottle necks of computer systems are software imposed (e.g. user interfaces are a prime example). You can run some software on blisteringly fast machines with vast memory allocations and they still run like a dog because of poor design choices in software. I had to refactor a database restructure that was supposed to take 24 hours but had to be stopped and rolled back at that point having only completed 25% of it run. Simple changing a few lines of code made it run to completion in 12 hours. All this was on the same hardware and the same underlying dataset. Another database was storing a few thousand records each with three parameters with less than a thousand permutations of parameter. Rather than create three 1000 entry lookup tables, the designer decided to create a single lookup table with every possible combination of those three parameters resulting in a billion entry look up table.
Bandwidth would be how much can be done in a specific time window, which should be some combination of what can kept compartmentalized, compromised by what needs to move through various bottlenecks.
I am not sure we need all that complication. We could handwave that you can fit as much software as you want without difficulty (which seems to be the current real world situation and I see no reason to believe that will go away). The issue then becomes the performance of the software (i.e. its level) and the capacity of the system to run a particular level of software (i.e. the level of the host system). Each of these will come at a cost point. Bandwidth is a poor term as it has real world implications that doesn't belong in a game written or played by non-experts. If we here playing "Hacker" the computer RPG then maybe, but computers are a tool in traveller.
At this point, storage might be what can be kept in random access memory, not what's on the hard drives.
The difference between memory and "hard drive" is already pretty blurred. Even in the 80's we had RAM drives, now we have SSD's which are essentially the same as memory was.
You could complicate it by commandeering unused space in the hard drive for random access memory overflow, and just using parts of the programme that actually are relevant to the tasks being performed.

Or, in Traveller, everything is on one chip.

That's why, it takes up no discernible volume.
That would be my preferred route. A TL8 computer built with TL12 tech is a microscopic chip. Nuff said.
 
No, a wafer jack is a jack for wafers, standard data storage devices (something like a high tech SD card).
CSC, p61:
Well, I'd like to believe you except neither the Wafer Jack nor Data Wafer refer to each other as one being dependent on the other. Plus Data Wafer refers to itself as being size of a credit card and the picture shows a portable device the size of a fingerprint being inserted.

In technology, "Wafer" just means "a slice of semiconductor used for the fabrication of integrated circuits and photovoltaics" so similarity of names alone does not imply that the two are necessarily related by their interfaces.
 
Well, I'd like to believe you except neither the Wafer Jack nor Data Wafer refer to each other as one being dependent on the other. Plus Data Wafer refers to itself as being size of a credit card and the picture shows a portable device the size of a fingerprint being inserted.

In technology, "Wafer" just means "a slice of semiconductor used for the fabrication of integrated circuits and photovoltaics" so similarity of names alone does not imply that the two are necessarily related by their interfaces.
Some Wafers may be that big (or they may simply be made that big for ease of handling) much like SD cards can be fitted into larger carriers. The fact it is called a Wafer Jack implies that it uses wafers. Those wafers might not be the same wafers that are used in hand computers, but that doesn't mean that different standards cannot co-exist.

But this response was actually to refute the assertion that swapping software required surgery. For the avoidance of doubt the real evidence that swapping software does not require surgery is that the wafer jack "contains a physical data socket" and that "Swapping out software is done with physical media and not possible in the heat of the moment."

It is a very long stretch from NOT "heat of the moment" = requires surgery.

Unless you meant that changing the bandwidth would require surgery? That is clearly true.

You could consider that bandwidth to be either the internal capacity of the Wafer Jack and the media is only used to copy the software on the onboard storage and then could be removed (which would be my interpretation). In theory the capacity of the media could be effectively infinite and you just swap out from a library of packages as required. It is the transfer of the software from the media to the internal storage that takes the unspecified time.

Instead you could consider that the media actually holds the software itself and remains in the port while in use. In this case the bandwidth is a limitation on the capacity of the media the port can address. In this case it is actually swapping over the media that takes the time (and fiddling with a tiny Sim Card sized chip in combat might be contra-indicated). You might have multiple cards with all the combinations of software you might need to use and have themed ones. "Are we planning on a fight... OK, give me a second... Hardcore Battle Mix it is"
 
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Well, I'd like to believe you except neither the Wafer Jack nor Data Wafer refer to each other as one being dependent on the other. Plus Data Wafer refers to itself as being size of a credit card and the picture shows a portable device the size of a fingerprint being inserted.
MgT1 said:
MgT1 Core, p90:
A wafer jack is a computer system implanted into the base of the skull that consists of an external data socket and a processor running an interface program.
MgT2 added:
Core, p61:
WAFER JACK
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Total storage capacity of physical data wafers is indicated by the wafer jack’s total Bandwidth. Swapping out software is done with physical media and not possible in the heat of the moment.

The Wafer Jack as described is a computer with direct brain interface using externally accessible data wafers for storage of software.

That does not have to apply to YTU, of course.
 
MgT2 added:
I think you mean to reference CSC, p61 as it is not worded like that in CRB. That would make more sense if I'd had the opportunity to read it like that the first time round in CRB. Except the CRB doesn't mention that a Data Wafer is required. The CSC does but obviously I'd not picked up on it because the way the earlier CRB entry is worded. Buy CRB and you can use a Wafer Jack without needing a Data Wafer then buy CSC and suddenly you do need one in order to use the same WJ. ---> More like a backward step, but I am beginning to see how misunderstandings have arisen.

Plus, "Bandwidth" is used eccentrically inconsistent according to the CRB definition of "Bandwidth" - bandwidth represents Processing Power and NOT storage capacity. So the catalogue entry is all misinformed.

The fact it is called a Wafer Jack implies that it uses wafers.
Well yes. Like I said earlier, Wafer just means a slice of semiconductor material. Doesn't imply any interface. "Jack" is odd word in it can mean "a hole for an electrical conductor attachment" and "jack plugs" and "jack connectors" are common in audio equipment, esp with headphones. Seeing it used this way is odd, unless that usage is more common in USA - I don't really know.

It is a very long stretch from NOT "heat of the moment" = requires surgery.

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You could consider that bandwidth to be either the internal capacity of the Wafer Jack and the media is only used to copy the software on the onboard storage
Yes, I meant storage was internal to the device as it appears to be in CRB entry but not in CSC.

Unless you meant that changing the bandwidth would require surgery? That is clearly true.
That is also quite thoughtful. Yes I agree it would as bandwidth is a fixed property of the device, and a change of device would be needed for a change of property.
 
I think you mean to reference CSC, p61 as it is not worded like that in CRB.
Yes, sorry, you are correct.


That would make more sense if I'd had the opportunity to read it like that the first time round in CRB. Except the CRB doesn't mention that a Data Wafer is required. The CSC does but obviously I'd not picked up on it because the way the earlier CRB entry is worded. Buy CRB and you can use a Wafer Jack without needing a Data Wafer then buy CSC and suddenly you do need one in order to use the same WJ. ---> More like a backward step, but I am beginning to see how misunderstandings have arisen.
Agreed, you really need to read the MgT1 Core description first.


Plus, "Bandwidth" is used eccentrically inconsistent according to the CRB definition of "Bandwidth" - bandwidth represents Processing Power and NOT storage capacity. So the catalogue entry is all misinformed.
It's slightly more nuanced that that: Processing score is a computers ability to run software, Bandwidth is how much the software needs to be run, and apparently store. It might be more related to memory capacity than speed of the computer.

It is a bit vague, as is the habit of Mongoose. The ambiguity allows you to play as you wish.
 
I think you mean to reference CSC, p61 as it is not worded like that in CRB. That would make more sense if I'd had the opportunity to read it like that the first time round in CRB. Except the CRB doesn't mention that a Data Wafer is required. The CSC does but obviously I'd not picked up on it because the way the earlier CRB entry is worded. Buy CRB and you can use a Wafer Jack without needing a Data Wafer then buy CSC and suddenly you do need one in order to use the same WJ. ---> More like a backward step, but I am beginning to see how misunderstandings have arisen.
I am not really understanding your concern with significance of the exact meaning of wafer. Regardless of which version you reference the sentence about swapping software requiring physical media is present. My default assumption about media is that it is a wafer as:

"The standard medium of information storage in many universes is the data wafer" CRB p112, CSC p68.

You always needed the media and as media = wafer you always needed wafers.

The mechanics of the Wafer Jack media transfer are not fully described and it could as easily be a standard wafer that is inserted into a transfer device that is plugged into the Wafer Jack by cable (or the transfer could be wireless). The picture is of the classic cyberpunk idea of a chip Jack but art does not always match the game actuality.
Plus, "Bandwidth" is used eccentrically inconsistent according to the CRB definition of "Bandwidth" - bandwidth represents Processing Power and NOT storage capacity. So the catalogue entry is all misinformed.
I think it is consistent enough as with all other computers, the amount of Bandwidth you can USE concurrently is a function of your Computers level. CRB is no clearer as it uses the term "Bandwidth Capacity" as the definition of how much software can be loaded on the Wafer Jack.

Software has Bandwidth and Bandwidth Capacity is logically the capacity for bandwidth. Complex programs require greater processing power, but also logically require greater storage capacity. We don't care about capacity for conventional computers in Traveller as "beyond TL8, the capacity of even a modest computer is effectively unlimited". The Wafer Jack is unique in that it has a limit to the software it can store in addition to the Bandwidth of software it can run.

Fortunately you can run as many DM+1 versions of the Expert package as you have processing power. If the Wafer Jack ran the Intellect Interface it would further limit the number of Expert packages which could be run simultaneously.

CSC does not change any of that, it simply omits the word capacity from the table (the wording is still in the description).
Well yes. Like I said earlier, Wafer just means a slice of semiconductor material. Doesn't imply any interface. "Jack" is odd word in it can mean "a hole for an electrical conductor attachment" and "jack plugs" and "jack connectors" are common in audio equipment, esp with headphones. Seeing it used this way is odd, unless that usage is more common in USA - I don't really know.
The only thing that is supposed to constant in the various Traveller wafers is the interface.

"The interface for a data wafer is standardised but the internal workings vary." CRB P112

Jack is likely derived from it's use the Cyberpunk Genre (e.g. Jacking in). It probably derives from jack as a contraction of hijack as the device overrides the normal brain function. The conflation with the idea of an audio jack (which itself bypasses the internal wiring of the device) is elegant. Many cyberpunk terms are used differently to modern usage as the assumption is that language will continue to evolve (and thus is surely as valid for Traveller which also encompasses diverse sophontology). William Gibson invented new terms and usages to make the setting seem like it was estranged but still from a familiar background. He admitted for example that he had no idea what a Modem actually was but used the word as it sounded cool and futuristic. In the 80's it did, now it sounds archaic.
 
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As I said upthread, since Mongoose now owns Traveller it may be time to dip into T5 more fully:

"Wafer Jack. A Wafer Jack is a cyber implant allowing use of skill or personality wafers and providing direct access to computer systems."

these are common on T5 mustering out tables

"Wafer Technology records essential skills, knowledges, talents, memories, and even personalities on portable Wafers:
thin chips which temporarily implant specific elements of a personality. A Wafer may contain:
- a set of Skills (some combination of Skills, Knowledges, and Talents; consider Skills to include any combination of the three),
- a set of memories and experiences, and
- a sense of self."

"Three sorts of Wafer are generally available: SSW Single Skill Wafer, EPW Emergency Personality Wafer, and Entertainment Wafers."
 
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Well, I'd like to believe you except neither the Wafer Jack nor Data Wafer refer to each other as one being dependent on the other. Plus Data Wafer refers to itself as being size of a credit card and the picture shows a portable device the size of a fingerprint being inserted.

In technology, "Wafer" just means "a slice of semiconductor used for the fabrication of integrated circuits and photovoltaics" so similarity of names alone does not imply that the two are necessarily related by their interfaces.
Like you have ever been able to trust the artists to actually know what they are drawing in gaming books. As far as I am concerned a "Data Wafer" is what goes into a "Wafer Jack." All a Wafer Jack is, is the port. Just like a USB Drive and the USB Port. Otherwise, why name them both "wafers"? That they had at least a dozen other names they could have called these two things, but they chose to call them the same thing tells Me that the intent was for them to be the same. The discrepancies you guys are pointing out could simply be due to the standard Traveller problem of no quality control/consistency between writers.
 
That isn't just a hardware issue. Many of the bottle necks of computer systems are software imposed (e.g. user interfaces are a prime example).

Like when you shove 700 mods into Skyrim and its little game engine chokes to death, because the game engine software can only process however many instructions per second while your pc's hardware can do much more than that.
 
"Wafer Jack. A Wafer Jack is a cyber implant allowing use of skill or personality wafers and providing direct access to computer systems."

And to think of all the grief I got on a certain mailing list for suggesting storing refined fuel in higher density forms (metallic, etc.) than LHyd, because "...That's Not Traaaa-veller!"
 
Something else I'd be concerned about is the effect of electromagnetic fields on wafer jacks and cybernetics, or other forms of em radiation. What happens if a traveller is caught in a powerful active sensor scan or communications transmission? What happens if an adventurer with a wafer jack implant is stuck on a TL 8 crapsack world (not naming names) and needs an MRI scan, the powerful magnetic fields of the machine might ruin the implant, heat it up, or rip it out of its implant location, causing severe injury.
 
"Swapping out software is done with physical media and not possible in the heat of the moment."

What an arbitrary game rule. How many moments and how little heat is required to swap out the software wafer or whatever? What actually needs to take place? Determine that, and then let conditions in play determine whether or not it is possible rather than making an arbitrary blanket rule.

If an arbitrary blanket rule is necessary to prevent an unbalanced game, then the ruleset needs to be relooked, or expectations need to be revised, or the equipment shouldn't have been introduced. Making a rule like this is like saying "Vickers guns are belt fed machineguns. Reloading the weapon is done with fabric ammunition belts and is not possible in the heat of the moment." and then saying that being able to reload them in the heat of the moment would be game unbalancing.
 
So a normal "modest" computer doesn't use a Data Wafer because it does not have it's own Wafer Jack?
I would say that, like computers today, they have a Wafer port built into them. A Wafer Jack is a specific type of cybernetic implant. Computers, even modest ones, do not have cybernetics. lol
 
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