BF Evo, future weapons

Whilst it is common to think of thermobaric weapons as being one of the latest "big things" its worth remembering that the Russuaisn had the RPO-A (one of the first shoulder launched thermobaric weapons) in service in 1988. It just took us some time to catch up.

True, but then again, it's Russian so one must handle that with an extreme note of care.

Still, the new rounds are pretty neat, especially since we've gotten it down small enough that the grenadiers of a squad can tote them around....
 
Hiromoon said:
Whilst it is common to think of thermobaric weapons as being one of the latest "big things" its worth remembering that the Russuaisn had the RPO-A (one of the first shoulder launched thermobaric weapons) in service in 1988. It just took us some time to catch up.

True, but then again, it's Russian so one must handle that with an extreme note of care.

Still, the new rounds are pretty neat, especially since we've gotten it down small enough that the grenadiers of a squad can tote them around....

the ones we have now arnt that far of what the russians had 10 years ago !!! as for safe to use, all depends what end your pointing at the enemy when you shoot it :D
 
Funny....we don't describe our thermobaric rounds as flame throwers

http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml
 
Mac V said:
Well, yeah. That fight was lost from day one in the media. I just don't think anyone was expecting them to lose those tanks and have to shift tactics accordingly. By the way, what rockets did H use? I don't rmember hearing they type.

Sort of. Sorry to use this example again but when I was with a media crew (ITV news) during Lebanon they debated every point (including one bloke being accused of having double standards in favour of the Israelis). I think the reason it got such a bashing as a war was that it was obviously not a just war (and the Israelis never help themselves. Clusterbombs being a good example).

As Hiro says the Israelis actually did win, especially good as Hez had been digging in for a couple of years. From what I've heard (and most of this is from tertiary sources so its debateable content) the reason for the casulties were due to the reservists who apparently were completely out of their depth, being used ot police actions not to combined arms warfare. This link is pretty good on the Merkarva in Leb '06: http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/thread/1168715614/last-1168991159/Assessing+the+performance+of+Merkava+Tanks

Hope that helps all.

The armoured suit by the way rocks! I wants one!
 
It's hard to win a war when all the other side has to do is just survuve, and they know it. It seemed less a war and more of a pressure release.
 
Easy to survive if the head hides out in the Iranian Embessy while his minons get plastered left and right....

Anyway:
China waits patiently for rearmament in 2050

Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter

China will wait until the middle of this century before embarking on a period of "energetic rearmament", a leading East Asian defence expert has claimed.

Ron Huisken, a senior fellow at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University, added that China's short-to-medium term priority would be to focus on economic growth.

"While this is in progress military rearmament will not be a top priority," Huisken added. "They will not let rearmament slip but economic power is their top priority."

Huisken's comments followed the recent publication of China's National Defence White Paper.

He said that the Chinese government is becoming very aware of its military image: "In order to rebuild the Chinese military they have had to make a hugely uncharacteristic decision to play ball with the rest of the world. It is like a race to achieve military status as soon as possible using the old Chinese way, against the need to change internally to be internationally recognised."

Huisken believes that this change in image is part of Beijing's plan to energise rearmament by the middle of this century.

"They are focusing on what they call 'Peace and Development' and this means that they are still waiting before carrying out a programme of energetic rearmament.
 
Will we be able to try casevac missions in BFE do you think?

As i wouldn't mind trying the new casevac method, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6269613.stm
 
As Hiro says the Israelis actually did win

I'm sure they did. Trouble is there is a considerable body of opinion that says the opposite. The truth will inevitably come somewhere in between.

This makes interesting reading

http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060817_isr_hez_lessons.pdf

btw, to get back to a game-related question, how are the characteristics of thermobarics represented in the rules?
 
I wonder if things like the Dominator class of UAV's will make an appearance. I saw that on Future Weapons and it was pretty impressive, if it works.
 
They're not, just as of yet. Given that iit's a characteristic of ammunition, like HE and AP rounds, I don't think they'll actually represent it in game. That said, I'd say

XM1040 40mm Thermobaric Grenade (Fired from the M203)
Range: 16" Damage: D10

This weapon causes a –2 penalty to Armour rolls and will roll extra Damage Dice (but only D6+2 with no penalty to Armour rolls) against every model within 3” of the centre of the model its first Damage Dice is allocated to - these extra models need not be in Line of Sight. It may only be fired once per turn, and never as a reaction.
 
DM said:
As Hiro says the Israelis actually did win

I'm sure they did. Trouble is there is a considerable body of opinion that says the opposite. The truth will inevitably come somewhere in between.

This makes interesting reading

http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060817_isr_hez_lessons.pdf

btw, to get back to a game-related question, how are the characteristics of thermobarics represented in the rules?

To further clarify: the Israelis won militarily (they created abuffer zone, killed a helluva lot of Hez and lost very few of their own) but lost politically.

Interesting reading though.
 
Isn't that always the way with guerrila conflicts...

However I think that the international community should have noticed by now that the Israelis really don't care what they think about them any more, that ship sailed a long time ago...
Whether we agree with what the Israelis do doesn't matter, because they don't care, we long ago lost the ability to influence them...


Nick
 
Actually I don't think the UK ever really had any ability to influence them. The US, on the other hand, supplied them with arms and munitions during their biggest conflicts....that usually helps to get some pull.
 
I was talking about the international community at large, which seemed to think that the Israelis were interested in listerning to what they had to say...

As for the UK, I believe one of the main Israeli tanks for most of their history was the Centurion...

As for the US, if they tried pushing the Israelis to far they would loose that influence. Especially as the Israelis are producing increasing amouts of equipment themselves. Note how Bush did absolutly nothing to dissuade the Israelis in Lebanon...


Nick
 
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