BF Evo, future weapons

[Locutus9956]

Holy SMEG!!! Theyve invented a true stun ray! As for the PHaSR, seriously how long did they spend coming up with a name for the system that would give them that acronym (Looks a teensy weensy bit unwieldy to me anyway...)

 

[Hiromoon]

Oh that's not the least of it. I've found stuff like:

Test footage of the Active Denial System:

Test Facility for the ADS

A round for the Abrams tank (M1028 120mm Canister):

Imagine how much CS/OS gas you can put in that puppy!

A Lighting gun called the Stunstrike:

An AirForce Project to give Aircraft Laser Dazzlers cakllled the ACCM (AirCraft Counter-Measures):

Shock rounds...yes, bullets that shock you when they hit:

A Non-Lethal Wireless Eletro-Muscular Disruption Technology (W-EMDT) Ammunition:

LRAD/MRAD (Long Range / Medium Range Acoustic Device)

An under barrel mounted taser:

And a sticky shock round. It sticks, and you get zapped:

 

[Hiromoon]

So let's see if I've got this right. The 'Pulsed Energy Projectile (PEP)' fires a laser at the target. This laser 'vaporizes the outer layer of the target, creating a rapidly-expanding expanding ball of plasma', said plasma being able to disorientate or stun people via electromagnetic means.
I had two thoughts reading this. The first was 'Holy Sh*T!'. The second was 'They've invented the Phaser'.

And don't the developers have a wonderful way with euphamisms? This is part of something called the 'Sunshine Project'. Still I suppose it sounds better than the 'knock-someone-out by-burning-off-the-top-layer-of-the epidermis-ray-Project.'

Fascinating stuff Hiromoon.

Actually the Sunshine Project is a group trying to get information from the government using the Sunshine Laws passed here in the States.

And you can blame the USAF for a good portion of this.

 

[Silvereye]

I like the way the picture of the E-Bomb (High-Power Microwave [HPM]) has a 'lethal footprint'.

And the little cartoon figures on the M98 and M99 rounds very 'Fallout'. I'm just glad the M99 has sub-batons withing the casing. That 60mm thing would hit like a house brick, and probably not in a Non-Lethal kind of way.

M1006 Sponge Round (Point) - LARP safe bullets....

"An AirForce Project to give Aircraft Laser Dazzlers cakllled the ACCM (AirCraft Counter-Measures): " I'm thinking that there is a certain scare value to a mostly naked fat blok in the helicopter....

 

[Hiromoon]

What? No complaints about the PEP on the previous page?

 

[Rick]

That said, I'm not sure if this wave weapon would be useful in a hostage situation, as it doesn't seem to incapacitate as much as it "chases off".

None of these weapons are useful against a normal type of riot or mob, where you want to channel, contain and then isolate small groups for arrest. They would only be useful in a situation where you wanted a non-lethal way of keeping a riot from over-running a fixed installation (such as an embassy compound), and weren't too bothered where the rioting mob ran off to and ended up.

 

[Bewildered Badger]

Holy SMEG!!! Theyve invented a true stun ray! As for the PHaSR, seriously how long did they spend coming up with a name for the system that would give them that acronym (Looks a teensy weensy bit unwieldy to me anyway...)

Yeah, I reckon the designers must have sat round during there lunch break trying to figure something out. They probably called each other 'dude' a lot, too.

As to the PEP, I'd have to say there is some ambiguity about the way it supposedly works. From the link Hiromoon gives, it appears that the weapon is fired at a point near the person to be affected, for example on the floor or a wall. This causes a rapidly expanding ball of plasma which has an effect similar to a conventional flash-bang grenade. A sudden intense burst of light, deafening noise and concussive shockwave all act to distract and disorientate the subject.
The quote Hiromoon gives on page 24, however, gives a somewhat different view. The first paragraph includes the phrases "This vaporizes the outer layer of the target," and later "...could deliver a harmless warning, stun the target, or disable them...". This seems to imply that the weapon is aimed directly at the person to be affected.
Of course this may simply be rather vague writing on the part of the author, for example using the word 'target' to mean two different things, the person to be affected and the target point where the weapon is aimed. As this quote includes the phrase "all without doing the slightest actual harm" I'm assuming the PEP is not designed to be aimed directly at people, though if anyone has any more info about it I'd like to see it (BTW, Hiromoon, where did this quote come from?)
Also, this second quote suggests that the weapons effectiveness is due to the electromagnetic pulse present in the plasma affecting nerve cells. I must admit I felt somewhat startled after reading that. A while back a website devoted to Star Trek weaponry asked how plasma weapons, such as the assault rifles carried by the MACO's in Enterprise, could have a stun setting. I wrote in, speculting that the EM fields present in plasma could possibly have a taser like effect. At the time I thought of this as 'Star Trek science', the sort of thing that sounds reasonable but doesn't really mean anything. To now read an article that suggests that such a thing may indeed be possible is rather weird.

 

[Hiromoon]

Just google PeP. Really, it came from some website talking about it in a tone that seemed a bit...well...conspericy really.

 

[Turtle]

I recall the Osprey program was scrapped not too long ago, any word on what the USMC is using to replace it?

 

[Hiromoon]

....

Turtle....

the V-22 is still alive.

 

[Larac]

Heres the one I want!

http://www.metalstorm.com/

These are under testing now, a pistol that has 28-36 rounds and fires 3 rnd bursts so fast the 3rd leaves the barrel before your recoil hits.

and so much more...

Lee

 

[Larac]

As for IEDs my wife is working a project on them, so I have to be a bit closed, but this is true and open sorced.

The new detectors they have (that I know about), can scan and see not only where you dug that little hole, but the plastic box the stuff is in.

Really amazing stuff.


As for the folks that disable the IEDs they are really something, to walk up to a bomb knowing that a second or even third is there remote oped to kill the brave ones who can do the job.

Yes we can block the cell phone reception that helps but IR and wires are still hard to stop.

IEDs are the #1 killing device in Iraq because they work, and the Pres will not green light the tech to find them.

Good Gaming all

Lee

 

[Hiromoon]

Heres the one I want!

http://www.metalstorm.com/

These are under testing now, a pistol that has 28-36 rounds and fires 3 rnd bursts so fast the 3rd leaves the barrel before your recoil hits.

and so much more...

Lee

Oh yes....a brilliant system that is...

NOT.

A> Reloading is almost impossible.
B> Unlike the usual fashion, if you lack power, you can't fire the damn thing
C> Unlike belted ammo, you can't just link it up to ensure a steady and sustainable rate of fire. All I have to do is put enough targets to make you use your ammo, and then BAM, I have you now.

 

[Secesh]

I think the broader implications of Metal Storm are good though.

"The Metal Storm handgun employs electronic locking, which can limit firing access and stop unauthorized use. It can even be programmed not to fire within, say, the grounds of a school.

Its grenade launcher can give the same defensive security as a minefield, but without physically putting any explosives in the area being guarded. Instead, sensors can alert an operator to any intrusion. The operator can then decide whether to use lethal or non-lethal grenades to warn off -- or destroy -- the intruder." (CNN)

Imagine someone stealing a cop's pistol and then not being able to fire it, just like Judge Dredd. First weapons development we've done that could save more lives than take them.

 

[Larac]

All valid points, but for fixed defenses these are great to stop an incoming rush and give time too get ready.

Also the Mortar systems that have 40 tubes of differing sizes, all fired remote look good for base defense.

Each tube holds 6-8 shots, and if needed can be fired in one salvo, or 1 at a time.

If a costly dodad keeps one of ours from being shot, I am all for it.
Lord knows Congress wastes more each year to get re-elected.

Lee

 

[Hiromoon]

I can still bludgeon someone to death with it, even if it doesn't fire. Sure, that means getting up close, but since they were kind enough to put in the report about the Metal Storm hand gun that it requires an electronic ring? Bam and yoink. Oh look, it's working again.

And the Metal storm looks good on paper, but I'd perfer using a weapon that doesn't require me unscrewing or unlocking the barrel in order to reload.

 

[Kristovich]

Isn't it the Metal Storm that has a pretty high rate of fire?

I've heard of a gun that had way above 1000 rounds per minute, I think at least.

 

[Hiromoon]

Yep... another weapon to waste thousands of rounds...just faster now..

 

[Kristovich]

So where's the benefit in that, really? I mean, the M16 should work just as well. Simply aim and pull the trigger.

Also, such a high ROF would play hell with accuracy. Or am I completely wrong?

 

[hegemon]

the thing is, they roll off the RoF of a weapon, when in fact its pretty redundant, as the weapon will most probably never be fired in a continouse burst of that amount of time

they should do RoF's in 1, 5 or 10 sec intervals, not a whole bloody minuet!