BF Evo, future weapons

It's ok Mr. Evil..after all, you're only English. ;) :lol:


WZ-10
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/wz-10.htm
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/wz10.asp


Brimstones are nice and all, but system the Apache will get equopped with in 2008 will be even better than that..

Brimstone:
brimstoneantiarmour5.jpg


Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System II - Laser guided version of the Hydra system:

038-2006.jpg



Concepts for Non-Tail rotor based Helicopters:

Blackhawk
hh-60_vtdp.jpg


Cobra
ah-1_vtdp.gif


Apache
ah-64_vtdp.jpg


Update:
In early 2001 the Apache community was operating under a shortage of M299 launchers and a Hellfire missile restriction. The M299 launchers, under contract to Boeing St. Charles, suffered a failure in recent testing and had been deemed unsafe. The power supply card must be redesigned, which was estimated to take 7-8 months to complete and qualify. Reverting to the old design was not an option; required components are no longer in production. DCSOPS had published a distribution plan. The PM-ARM is responsible for the development and fielding of the launchers and is working to correct the problems. The Hellfire restriction was driven by the new spacer in the motor impacting and damaging the stabilator and potentially the tail rotor.

Damage to 19 of 43 Apache Helicopters was detected following Hellfire missile firing during the USAREUR training exercise VICTORY STRIKE in Poland 06-18 October 2000. Damage to AH-64A Helicopter horizontal stabilators was initially attributed to ground debris then later to the Hellfire missile. Two Apache units fired 385 AGM-114C model missiles and numerous 2.75 inch rockets and 30MM rounds without incident. PEO Aviation System Safety Risk Assessment (SSRA) assigns a Category I-A risk (Catastrophic Probable) if missiles are fired from any position other than position number 4 on right outboard pylon. The SSRA applies only to the AH-64D Helicopter. SSRA for other helicopters is a "due-out" from PEO Aviation. AMCOM IMMC worldwide suspension of Hellfire missiles with the deficient Alliant/Hercules motors remained in place as of mid-2001. All Hellfire missiles with this motor were in CC-N, emergency combat use only. This included the entire inventory of the Longbow Hellfire Millimeter Wave (AGM-114L) missile, and nearly 90% of the latest Laser production assets (AGM-144 K &K-2). TURBO CADS (TC) is a TRANSCOM administered, JCS funded, MACOM supported, joint live ammunition containerization exercise. TC involves the relocation, retrograde, and call forward of theater ammunition stocks. TURBO CADS 01 arrived Chinhae Korea on 07 June 2001 and Hellfire missiles (720 Longbow Millimeter Wave (MMW) and 280 Laser Hellfire (HFII)) were off-loaded from the MAERSK ALASKA and were enroute to storage areas at Chunchon and Uijongbu. Missiles will support the FUE in EUSA for 1st BN/ 2nd AVN. The Longbow Hellfire MMW remained in Condition Code N (CC N) - Emergency Combat use only, until modified by the PM ARM. EUSA will retrograde a total of 1,000 Laser Hellfire missiles (AGM-114 C) in CCA, which enables continuation of CONUS annual service practice training into FY02. PM ARM will design, develop and qualify a replacement ring grain spacer for Alliant-TECH/Hercules missiles. However, qualification and testing must be completed before the new design motors will be manufactured and inserted into the on-going Longbow Hellfire missile production line currently scheduled in Jan 02. An Unfinanced Requirement (UFR) of $35.718 million in FY02 Missile Procurement Army (MIPA) funds for retrofit of the ring grain spacer into extant inventory restricts the retrofit start date until 2QFY03. Only Longbow and HF II missiles will be retrofitted with a projected completion date for FY 05. This leaves some 45 percent of the remaining inventory of 12,000 missiles (AGM-114 A, C and F model) to remain unmodified for either consumption in training or to become DEMIL candidates. Commander 101ST AASLT Division is in process of requesting release of Longbow missiles for storage at FT Campbell, KY for the Division Ready Brigade aviation elements.

By the end of 2001 the crisis appeared to be over for the deliveries of the M299 Missile launchers. Deliveries were being accepted on schedule and the fielded units and units being fielded would have their full compliment of launchers by spring 2002. Lockheed Martin was being qualified to produce M299 launchers also. The current SDZ firing restriction on the Hellfire missile was being analyzed. AMRDEC was conducting limited testing on the system until sufficient funding is provided to go ahead full force. AMRDEC expected to complete the analysis by the end of February 2002. The hellfire motor retrofit effort is ongoing. Retrofitting of motor commenced in January of 2002 at the rate of about 60 missiles per month. A UFR has been submitted for the completion of 100% of all missiles requiring retrofit.
 
Noob question:
Is there any possibility of Sonics coming into play on the battlefield? I remember that video of the "pirates" being driven away from the crusie ship by a very loud horn. Would this make an effective anti infantry weapon?
Is there any testing going on in this area?
 
Yes and No.

A> The Pirates did try to take out the projector on the cruise ship.
B> They lacked the proper equipment, though, to do so.
C> Typical Enemy Soldiers, on the other hand, do not lack the proper equipment.
D> Remember, don't attact enemy fire, it just annoys the people around you.

Acoustic Weapons:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/accoustic.htm

LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device)
http://defense-update.com/products/l/LRAD.htm

LRAD on a HMMWV
LRADHumvee.jpg


LRAD on a Styker
sheriff-stryker1.jpg



Now, everyone knows about the Talon robot, right? Here's the USMC's new toy:

The Gladiator
Gladiator.jpg


And some soldiers using the latest incarnation of the Land Warrior system:
061101-F-6890S-011.jpg
 
realy wouldnt fancy rolling around with all them wires !!!! bad enough i lost my helmet camo cover once running through woods, imagin one of them wires snagging !!!!!
 
i know that when i've been geared up i liked to apply the K.I.S.S principle
and that does not include any wires sticking out everywhere, i cant even have a headset at the computer without disconnecting it from time to time:D
 
Mr Evil said:
realy wouldnt fancy rolling around with all them wires !!!! bad enough i lost my helmet camo cover once running through woods, imagin one of them wires snagging !!!!!

Don't worry Mr Evil, as the wires are probably faked and it's really a fully wireless system, lol. You just can't trust that western propaganda, you know... (no worries, I'm just poking you in the ribs in a friendly sort of way, lol). :lol:
 
Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster...

Well, not entirely. I was here a while ago when SST was just about to be released. In fact I'm kinda proud to see that a comment I made back then has been immortalized in the Arachnid description. Ah, the things that will warm a gamer's heart... :D

Anyway, I wanted to drop in here with a comment or two on the discussion between Hiromoon and Mr. Evil. While it might be a bit off topic in this thread (my apologies), I think it's actually pretty interesting to gamers of modern or "ultra-modern" conflicts to understand how conflicts like those currently underway in Iraq and Afghanistan work.

The most important distinction you'll want to make here is the tactical versus the strategic level. In my opinion, the way the coalition forces are currently handling the conflicts is quite successful tactically, and a dramatic failure strategically. So, to borrow Hiromoon's phrase, the US military's fighting personnel may have gotten pretty good at smacking insurgents (or partizans, or guerillas, or whatever), but the brass and the political leadership sure as hell haven't.

The tactical superiority of modern Western fighting forces is pretty obvious. It's far more than a technological advantage, that just helps to smoothe things along with less casualties. The Western soldier is pretty much unmatched in training, discipline, leadership (especially at the NCO and junior officer level) and - perhaps most importantly - logistic support. The casualty ratios in Iraq and Afghanistan speak for themselves. If those were conventional conflicts, they'd also be staggering victories. Sadly, they are neither.

Military scientists (that is, folks that study military science) like to speak of "asymmetrical" or "fourth generation" warfare, but it's really just guerilla. The fancy names are there to hide the fact that they still haven't figured it out after fifty years or so. It's a form of warfare that focuses not on destroying the enemy's ability to wage war (as conventional warfare does), but on his willingness to do so. This changes the ball game dramatically, especially when you add a good dose of fanaticism in the mix.

The Western forces in Iraq and Afghanistan win pretty much every serious engagement they get into, hands down. In traditional terms anyway. They rout the enemy before them, kill his soldiers, destroy his equipment. But the insurgents don't care much for casualty rates - martyrdom and all that - so if they can send just one or two Western sodliers home in bodybags, they win. Bodybags eat public support and without public support, a Western democracy cannot wage a protracted war. It's a time-honored military tradition to pit your strengths against the enemy's weaknesses, and the insurgents are doing just that.

It'll be interesting to see if BF:Evo models this somehow, although I'm not sure it would make for a very fun game ("Haha, you may have killed half my insurgents and most of the goats, but those two casualties you suffered mean you *still* lose!"). Well, unless you build it into a very involved campaign system. Hmm...


An interesting case in point that just sprang to mind was the 1993 battle of Mogadishu, best known to most by the movie "Blackhawk Down". That battle was, in fact, a victory for the Americans - they achieved their objectives and, given the intensity of the engagement, did so with a perfectly acceptable casualty rate. It was touch-and-go at some points, and it was definitely hard-fought, but it was still a victory. By tactical standards anyway. Strategically, of course, the operation was a disaster, leading pretty much directly to the repeal of Task Force Ranger and a US policy of non-involvement in Africa that has lasted for over a decade now.
 
Very good description. The only bit I'd quibble with is the section on military scientists. In fact those blokes have it all sorted out (well the NIC freelancers did), sadly they just get ignored (like all the Iraq experts did). Again though thats at the strategic level as you say; morons like Rummy (clever guy but he does not live in the real world...) are the real problem.

As of course is the media, I'd love to see that represented in game (having worked in a newsroom during the Lebanon crisis I can say that ti gets pretty heated.). And of course you might earn positive or negative media points; cluster bombs are great weapons but the media hates 'em (for obvious reasons, namely the civilian casulties they cause).

Lebanon is of course another great example; the IDF won (despite some truly dire c*ck ups) tatically but on the strategic level got slammed, particuarly by the Israelis bad handling of the media.
 
xeoran said:
As of course is the media, I'd love to see that represented in game (having worked in a newsroom during the Lebanon crisis I can say that ti gets pretty heated.). And of course you might earn positive or negative media points; cluster bombs are great weapons but the media hates 'em (for obvious reasons, namely the civilian casulties they cause).

I'm currently working on Media rules for the game.....just gotta get it formatted properly.
 
Guerilla warfare was summed up pretty well in a comment made I think about the insurgents in South America. The comment said that all the insurgents had to win was to prove to the general population that the government couldn't control their own country, that the insurgents could come and go as they please and hit almost any target. It is an age-old problem, one the Romans had to deal with when putting down the Jewish revolts, and one troops have faced ever since.

However.

1 constant rule has always been that a guerilla force will always lose unless it receives adequate support (equipment/training/money) from an outside source. Vietnam and Malaya both proved this rule in different ways.
 
ExerptfromMBIBookTest.jpg


A little exerpt from the M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank book, by Motorbooks International, from their Mil-Tech Series.

This is from 1992 btw.
 
Asymmetric Warfare isn't the exact same thing as Guerrilla Warfare. You are correct in that AW is a method of warfare focusing on targets other than actual tactical/strategic/operational targets, often considered focusing on the "will to fight." GW is the concept of using smaller forces to attack larger forces using "unconventional" tactics, often taking supplies from your opponent to use against them, until you have reached the point where you can take on your opponent in "conventional" warfare. The terms get lumped together because some geurrilla movements have had success utilizing these tactics in preparation for conventional military operations, notably the Communist forces of China and Cuba. Even the American forces in the Revolutionary War utilized this concept to some degree.

On another note, the last 50 years haven't been a matter of learning how to deal with it, it's more a matter of remembering how to deal with it. The United States has a history of being very successful in these types of operations. At times they were brutal, at times not, but they were generally effective. It seem from my research that the United States has unlearned how to fight these types of wars, in large part due to the necessities of the World Wars, and is desparately trying to remember how. Unfortunately, many things have changed since then, most notable being the "CNN Effect."

NOTE: I acknowledge that these are very generalized definitions, but I didn't feel like writing another thesis on the matter :)
 
A simple UAV is just a radio controlled plane on steroids. The technology isn't that complicated. I can get everything I would need at the local hobby store. Adding video capability could easily be done with off the shelf equipment. IR and low light vision gear is readily available to anyone with a few bucks to spend.
 
What the Army has developed:
The Sword model Talon Robot
SWORDS22004-12-03-1.jpg

45145836.jpg


What the Marines are going to use:
The Gladiator
Gladiator.jpg


The Barret XM109b (which has gotten favorable reviews from the troops)
109b-1.jpg
 
I wonder how long it will take before soldiers' humor places a sign next to the laser output that says "SMILE!" (maybe with an emoticon added), letting the target think it's a camera. :wink:
 
Its been done already :) - there was a photo doing the rounds from Iraq a few weeks back that showed a slogan along the lines of "Iraqi Passport Photos - Look Here and Wait for the Flash" on the gunshield of a Hummer's 50 cal.
 
DM said:
Its been done already :) - there was a photo doing the rounds from Iraq a few weeks back that showed a slogan along the lines of "Iraqi Passport Photos - Look Here and Wait for the Flash" on the gunshield of a Hummer's 50 cal.

I just love "military humor". It's simply the best there is! :lol: LMAO :lol:

I'm going now to look for it... :wink:
 
Back
Top