BF Evo, future weapons

Hiromoon. do i read right, that the
Barret XM109b
is a rifle, not a "mongrel" grenade launcher? this thing actually shoots 25mm BULLETS? :shock:
and a quick question-what on earth is supposed to be the target for such a gun? obviously a tank is still way too tough for it, smaller things like cars etc. can be catered for by normal 12.7mm barret. so? apc's? space marines? :wink:
 
Howdy Poko,

25MM bullets are what you'd term 'vehicle' hunters. Now, while the regular armor on a tank can withstand it, shooting it in the engine deck with that baby will render even a tank's engine...umm... castrated.

Also, it's good for popping lighter vehicles like BMPs and Pumas. Technically it's supposed to use the same family of 25mm ammo the XM29 (OICW) does, allowing you to literally program what you want the round to do. Note the coloration of the shells. Either armor piercing or...well, explosive. Take your pick.


For some long-range sniper missions, a .50 caliber (12.7mm) round just isnt big enough. The Barrett company, which pioneered the development of the modern .50 caliber sniper rifle, has now built a 25mm sniper rifle (although shoulder cannon may be a more precise term), the XM109. Ten prototype weapons are being made available for testing this month. Designed to destroy light armor, the XM109 is a semi-automatic 25mm rifle that has a 17.6 inch long barrel and an overall length of 46 inches. It weighs in at 46 pounds and has a 5 round magazine. In comparison, the Barrett M107 .50 caliber sniper rifle in general use today has a 29 inch barrel, overall length of 57 inches, and weighs in at a mere 32 pounds, with a magazine capacity of 10 rounds.

A spiked bipod is included to steady the XM109 for firing and it has a standard M1319 accessory rail for scopes and other accessories. Barrett will either sell a complete rifle or supply upgrade kits to convert the M107 .50 sniper rifle over to the 25mm configuration, replacing the bolt, upper receiver, and magazine.

To complement this rifle is a computerized sight called the BORS (Barrett Optical Ranging Sighting System). BORS is specifically designed for long-range shooting at 1,000 meters and longer distances, measuring and compensating for air pressure, temperature, and the angle of the weapon in relation to the target. Precisely compensating for all these factors and successfully hitting the target on the first shot is possible, but difficult. BORS is designed to take all the sweat-math work out of first-round shots, leaving the operator with simply dialing in the distance to target, selecting the ammunition type, and putting the cross-hairs on the target. Future versions of BORS will incorporate a rangefinder, and night vision capability.

Effective distance armor piercing lethality for the rifle is listed at 2000 meters. The 25mm round is derivative design from the AH-64 Apache helicopters M789 high-explosive dual purpose (good against armor and personnel) 30mm ammunition and will penetrate at least 50 millimeters of armor plating, making it capable of destroying light armored vehicles, SCUD launchers, and other equipment. According to the ammunition manufacturer, the 25mm round is 2.5 times more effective at destroying targets than a .50 caliber armor-piercing round. At some point the system will also be integrated to use 25mm airburst ammunition designed for the OCWS.

One drawback to the weapon is the heavy recoil of the round. Barrett is working on reducing the recoil. Finally, a company slide describes the weapon as a payload rifle and also alludes to the ability to remove the muzzle break and replace it with a sound suppressor.
 
Poko, once when I went to a Land Warfare trade show an african company were showing their sniper rifle, a 50Cal torso destroyer!
 
For Poko to wet himself over...

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Now imagine you're on the recieving end of this bad boy....
 
sweet. now i just need to be elected and get the ministry of defense in my hands....XM109 as a primary squad weapon, and Beowulf as a sidearm, here i come :lol:
 
Mr Evil said:
can i add to non leathal weapons the americans designed a rifle that flashed the enemy burning out there eye cortex, this weapon was banned instantantly by nato and the g-convention rules, the idea behind the wepon was to blind enemy troopers so there comrads would have to get them to medical help, so hiting 1 or 2 men would hamper an entire squad, as a dead soildier can be left behind but a wounded or blinded trooper needs medical attentions and his unit to protect him and move him to safty.

remember a wounded soldier is more dangerouse to your units than a dead one as he will slow you down and alter moral in a more negative manor, and cause a unit to fallback from the fight rather than push on.


ok, most troopies i know (including myself) wouldnt stop at blinding 2 or 3 of a squad... someone would think it would be too funny to keep going.
and not all opponents stop to remove their wounded.
when they're jacked up on liquid adrenaline (watch Shootout:Fallujah) they're not stopping... they let the kids pull them out later - if at all.

as for the mine shooting laser system:
when you secure an airbase somewhere... lets take bagram for example. afghanistan has mines out the wazoo.
you set this thing out on the apron, let the dog teams do their thing locating the mines and zap them one after another. as it is current demining ops consist of removing what mines they can after rendering them safe (at considerable risk to the EOD personnel). relocating them into a common area full of other mines, and initiating a controlled detonation. some of them are blown in place when they EOD tech says he doest want to move it. fact is-it takes a long time.
a zeus assigned to the air force SFS / STS / EOD teams (security forces squadrons / special tactics squadrons / explosive-ordinance disposal for the no hablas) would be a valuable asset.

anytime you are taking and holding a piece of terrain to be developed as an installation - this would be the way to go... complete with the contractor support team protecting your vehicular investment of course.

as for using it on the open roads... as a specialized vehicle, it's just not worth it. like the warlock system, its better off as part of a hmmwv performing multiple fuctions. if the technology improves and we find a way to make it smaller (i couldnt see the pics - just guessing) it may be the best thing since sliced bread.



what i would like to see in the game is the israeli made anti-rpg system people are mad the US isnt buying. and the RPG-29 dual stage explosive rockets - te ones made to defeat reactive armor.
 
Hiromoon said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0snvhQmi78

This thing?

Its a souped version of reactive Armour, which detects the incoming round and then hurls pellets or grape at the incoming warhead. My only questions are;

1. Is this only good against a limited number of attacks
2. What happens to the infantry that might be supporting the vehicle (as in an urban enviroment)
 
This was on the right side, next to the video Hiro linked to (btw, thanks, Hiro!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJLHX7gxxg&mode=related&search=

I didn't know about this RPG defense, and I'm impressed. As Kirk would say, "Shields Up!" :lol:

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"The FSEP will integrate new weapons and sensor technologies onto current platforms in a spiral development approach, and will ultimately field increasingly advanced capabilities. U.S. test certification concludes the Trophy FSEP's Spiral 0 efforts. Spiral 1 includes developing an autoloader for the Trophy Active Protection System."
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I added the italics above.
 
Its a souped version of reactive Armour, which detects the incoming round and then hurls pellets or grape at the incoming warhead.

Heard about the UK's "electric armour" for FRES?

http://www.dstl.gov.uk/news_events/press/pr2002/01-07-02.php

Good for those times when your active DAS isn't up to scratch (which will inevitably be just the time you need it :) )

btw, hopefully something will firm up in the FRES programme soon so that it can make an appearance as a model. It pretty much underpins the future British Army vehicle procurement strategy! And I guess those uprated FV432s are going to be around for a long while too :)
 
A bit more information on the XM 109b

as others have stated the .50 cal round can penetrate light armor and the 25mm round has about the same effective range.

The advantage of the 25mm HEDP round is that it's armor penetration is not reduced with range like a .50 cal round is. It makes the weapon more likely to take out vehicles at long range with a single shot.
 
what i would like to see in the game is the israeli made anti-rpg system people are mad the US isnt buying. and the RPG-29 dual stage explosive rockets - te ones made to defeat reactive armor.

So the Israeli's have finally caught up to the Russian level of technology. There must be so much back-slapping in Tel-Aviv!! When did the Russians develop the Shtora defensive suite? It was a few years ago now, wasn't it?
 
But isn't the Shtora defensive suite just a jamming device for the tanks, Rick? It offers no protection against 'Dumb' rounds since it's ment to combat wire guided and laser guided missiles...

Or are you referrring to the Arena Active Protection System? Which acts like the Isreali system?
 
Sorry Hiromoon, you are perfectly correct. I was indeed referring to the Arena system, not the Shtora system. Some days I just can't tell my Arena from my Shtora!! :lol:
 
Hello Boys and Girls (I know there are some out there, I can hear you berating the boys for loosing to you ;) ). It's that time again!


First off, the German IdZ-ES on show:
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Now we have the Spanish Infantry of the 21st Century:
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Random British Soldier in OIF, wearing their version of the up-armor body armor:
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British FIST:
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New Marine Body Armor:
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Possible helemet design for the F-22 and F-35 pilot
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And finally, quite possibly the most dangerous weapon of the 21st century battlefield:
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Second update again, Concentrating mostly on infantry equipment.. I think....

British Body Armor
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(More British FIST)




US Future Soldier Test unit
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(More on Land Warrior)






German IdZ-ES
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French FELIN System...
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i was talking with my parents over dinner last night about the NHS and armed forces and how their both being raped budget wise by the gov.

then we got onto how not to long in the future wars will be fought by suit wearing men in a underground bunker and all they have to do is press a button, coz we all know this is what will happen.

all this digital crap going on. the british army spent millions digitiseing the whole system and upgrading to bowman, what the hell was wrong with clansman, nout.
 
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