A Poll On The Use Of AI Art In TAS Products
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Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
If we do not hold with "but the Arts," then AI takes over creative pursuits and leaves us with nothing but the daily grind.
The dystopian present has far more to do with the decisions and policies made over the last few decades.
paltrysum
Emperor Mongoose
Exactly this. AI is built off the backs of established content, and that includes artwork. Eventually, after it puts all the artists out of work, it will be copying other AI which will eventually result in a lot of generic, crappy art.
This NYT article/podcast from journalist Ezra Klein has a great discussion of the subject. His guest, Nilay Patel, describes how it will steal and ruin businesses by copying them, eventually copying the copiers. It all sounds kind of inevitable, but maybe after people start to notice how the quality of everything has become mediocre, we'll start to value human creations again. (I gifted the link, so hopefully it's not behind a paywall!)
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
so you dont think ai is involced when i sat alexa turn to channel x, or when the tv decides i might be interested in watching x?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
I think you are failing to recognize the difference between something like Alexa or Siri and a generative AI that creates art.
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
ok how bout this. i went to google and asked Do smat tvs use ai. here is the reply, please check it yourself.
Yes, modern smart TVs increasingly utilize artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance picture quality, optimize viewing experiences, and integrate with smart home ecosystems.
Here's a more detailed look at how AI is being used in smart TVs:
Picture and Audio Enhancement:
Yes, modern smart TVs increasingly utilize artificial intelligence (AI) to enhance picture quality, optimize viewing experiences, and integrate with smart home ecosystems.
Here's a more detailed look at how AI is being used in smart TVs:
Picture and Audio Enhancement:
- AI Upscaling:
AI algorithms can upscale lower-resolution content to higher resolutions, resulting in sharper and more detailed images.
- Dynamic Image Optimization:
AI can analyze the content being displayed and adjust settings like brightness, contrast, and color to optimize the picture for the specific scene.
- Noise Reduction:
AI can reduce noise and artifacts in the picture, leading to a cleaner and more natural-looking image.
- Sound Optimization:
AI can analyze the audio content and adjust the sound output to optimize for different types of content, such as movies, music, or sports.
- Motion Blur Reduction:
AI can help to reduce motion blur, especially during fast-moving scenes, for a smoother viewing experience.
Smart Home Integration and User Experience:
- Voice Control:
AI-powered voice assistants, like Google Assistant and Alexa, are integrated into many smart TVs, allowing users to control the TV and other smart home devices with voice commands.
- Content Recommendations:
AI can analyze user viewing habits and make personalized content recommendations.
- Smart Home Hub:
Some smart TVs can act as a central hub for managing smart home devices, allowing users to control lights, thermostats, and other appliances from the TV screen.
- Energy Efficiency:
AI can help optimize energy consumption by adjusting screen brightness based on ambient lighting and content.
Examples of AI-Powered Smart TV Features:
- Samsung Vision AI:
Samsung's AI technology, which analyzes images in real-time to optimize settings such as color saturation, sharpness, and contrast.
- LG ThinQ AI:
LG's AI technology, which can control smart home devices, make content suggestions, and answer questions.
- AI Auto Game Mode:
This feature automatically optimizes the TV's settings for gaming, such as reducing input lag and adjusting the picture for optimal gaming performance.
- AI Energy Mode:
This feature adjusts the screen brightness based on the surrounding lighting to conserve energy
- Mic drop!
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
do you wanna see what it says about cell phones?
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Why are artists a protected class?
Coal miners, ship builders, steel makers didn't get special treatment, why should artists?
What about computer controlled lathes replacing craftsmen and a whole host of other jobs replaced by automation?
The working class has been thrown to the dogs, how about a boycott of goods not produced by local craftsmen?
Coal miners, ship builders, steel makers didn't get special treatment, why should artists?
What about computer controlled lathes replacing craftsmen and a whole host of other jobs replaced by automation?
The working class has been thrown to the dogs, how about a boycott of goods not produced by local craftsmen?
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
i gather its because they some how think we are actually stealing from the artist. what we really are doing is learning from the masters and making art from that knowledge. i in know part lift direct parts from my art from others. you will never see my art have a starsip flying through a STARRY NIGHT (artwork from van gough) but i see nothing wring wrong from having it fly through ai generated space. in the end they will win and kill ai art. what follows is that many small time writers will disappear and traveller will be made worse for it. not that they care as no of them are writing and publishing so they dont grasp the strain we have.
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
lol rats i seriously need to wake up before i type either that or this form needs a spell checker.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Use an AI to spell check...
or is teaching an AI stealing from people who have learned to write?
More seriously, I just watched the new trailer for Lilo and Stitch. I wonder how they trained the AI that generates the CGI? Or the CGI for every other film and TV show, has generative AI "stolen from artists" to learn to do that?
Do we now boycott every TV show or movie with CGI?
Are CGI effects not putting artists, model makers etc out of work? What about movies and shows that use AI to de-age actors, or reconstruct the dead? Are you going to stop supporting all of those too?
or is teaching an AI stealing from people who have learned to write?
More seriously, I just watched the new trailer for Lilo and Stitch. I wonder how they trained the AI that generates the CGI? Or the CGI for every other film and TV show, has generative AI "stolen from artists" to learn to do that?
Do we now boycott every TV show or movie with CGI?
Are CGI effects not putting artists, model makers etc out of work? What about movies and shows that use AI to de-age actors, or reconstruct the dead? Are you going to stop supporting all of those too?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
The way I see it, human created art will eventually have a renaissance, one reason everything will need to be authenticated.
I tend to think that live theatre, at least at the community level, will become popular.
In the meantime, it's quite possible that artificial intelligence will become inbred, as it incestuously starts consuming it's own products.
I tend to think that live theatre, at least at the community level, will become popular.
In the meantime, it's quite possible that artificial intelligence will become inbred, as it incestuously starts consuming it's own products.
Have you ever used it? That's not true. You can give it the prompt "an airplane" and it can put an airplane in the image even if no airplane is already in the image.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
How is Alexa changing your channel or finding a song on spotify, in your own home, stealing art from someone else?
How is that taking a job from someone else, or pirating the work of others?
It isn't.
The problem is not AI, but the unethical use of AI. AI should not be taking jobs from people, unless those jobs are really dangerous.
AI should not be a cheat button.
When I was at school we still had large slide rules and log tables. Calculators were just coming in, but they were "cheating". Later on I was required to use calculators as the maths being tested was too complex not to. By university my calculator had regression analysis built in and my more tech savvy colleagues had fully programmable calculators. I could not go into any of the jobs I had since graduating and expect to "work it out with a pencil". Perhaps where my generation differs is that I can still work it out with a pencil and more importantly I know what the answer is likely to be before I even do the calculation, so when I hit the wrong key I can look at the end result and question it. I can work it back manually and find the error condition. Some in the current generation have lost that ability to problem solve and they will happily state that the mass of the earth is 100Kg because that is what fell out of their mobile phone.
I know a few artists who produce quirky and interesting art pieces that even a jaded engineer can appreciate. I have seen some crappy art produced by others that was in my experience a waste of material. I love the original Clash of The Titans with the stop motion animation and Star Wars matte paintings and practical effects. I love some movie SFX, but I hate some SFX movies where the visuals are more important than the plot.
Good AI doesn't write itself. It is the product of decades of exacting work by talented individuals who also studied for many years to become experts in their field (and in many cases experts in the fields the AI was expected to operate in). That have distilled the essence of the creative process and removed the drudgery, they are creating Art in a "brute force attack".
If you want to support an artist then maybe become a patron of the arts like wealthy people did in the medieval period. If you want your RPG books to be AI free but also affordable then you may have to accept less impressive artwork and more austere typesetting (and to be a purist probably full of typos). For some people AI will be anathema and they can pay to have their books lavishly illustrated by humans. For many of us, we don't actually care and would prefer something that actually represented the thing in the rules rather than some riff by someone to whom imagery or their idea of "artistic truth" is more important than context.
Classic Traveller had very few illustrations originally and we survived.
I know a few artists who produce quirky and interesting art pieces that even a jaded engineer can appreciate. I have seen some crappy art produced by others that was in my experience a waste of material. I love the original Clash of The Titans with the stop motion animation and Star Wars matte paintings and practical effects. I love some movie SFX, but I hate some SFX movies where the visuals are more important than the plot.
Good AI doesn't write itself. It is the product of decades of exacting work by talented individuals who also studied for many years to become experts in their field (and in many cases experts in the fields the AI was expected to operate in). That have distilled the essence of the creative process and removed the drudgery, they are creating Art in a "brute force attack".
If you want to support an artist then maybe become a patron of the arts like wealthy people did in the medieval period. If you want your RPG books to be AI free but also affordable then you may have to accept less impressive artwork and more austere typesetting (and to be a purist probably full of typos). For some people AI will be anathema and they can pay to have their books lavishly illustrated by humans. For many of us, we don't actually care and would prefer something that actually represented the thing in the rules rather than some riff by someone to whom imagery or their idea of "artistic truth" is more important than context.
Classic Traveller had very few illustrations originally and we survived.
I can't stop 100% of evil, so I should just wallow in it, huh?
But, I don't have a TV or a smartphone and I disable any "AI assistants" I can figure out how to get rid of.
Anyway, here's my reality: I won't spend money on RPG products that use AI instead of artists. If I want that, I can just have an AI make it for me without paying someone else.
I am sure the irony of the similar controversy around the time the printing press was introduced is not lost on the modern print industry (or that of lithography, or print on demand, or desktop publishing etc. etc.)
