The use of AI generated content in TAS products
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Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
Most of the TAS stuff is written by small publishers. If AI art is denied then you will find a drop in new works being created. I use AI art but i clearly state that so that those who do not want it pass on by. I will say this i find it strange that a game that has AIs in it refuses ai art lol. but hey if it is decided to disallow ai art so be it. i will move on, and so will others.
To shortquote some Matt from the state of the Mongoose,
'At the end of the day, if you have an idea for a publication that you want to get out into the wider world, AI art might well be your best tool. If, however, you want to create a solid foundation that will turn you into a more mainstream RPG publisher in the future… hire a real artist. They will appreciate it and you are going to end up with a better title.'
'At the end of the day, if you have an idea for a publication that you want to get out into the wider world, AI art might well be your best tool. If, however, you want to create a solid foundation that will turn you into a more mainstream RPG publisher in the future… hire a real artist. They will appreciate it and you are going to end up with a better title.'
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Generated content would also include text.
Personally (IMHO, IANAL etc) I think if you're generating both text and art with AI, you probably shouldn't be selling it?
Anyone could get the same stuff from Chat GPT or whatever for free, in that case.
Human creation is important. Writers and artists are important.
We've messed around with it to see what level it's at, plugging in some Shield Maidens stuff and... it just feels soulless. I don't know if we're taking a stance on it in terms of what's published on DTRPG, but I know they have markers to flag something as AI or human made when you publish it.
I want AI to do the boring jobs, not the ones that bring people joy
Anyone could get the same stuff from Chat GPT or whatever for free, in that case.
Human creation is important. Writers and artists are important.
We've messed around with it to see what level it's at, plugging in some Shield Maidens stuff and... it just feels soulless. I don't know if we're taking a stance on it in terms of what's published on DTRPG, but I know they have markers to flag something as AI or human made when you publish it.
I want AI to do the boring jobs, not the ones that bring people joy
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
<Devil's advocate>It could take a day of work prompting an AI to get the image you want. That is a day of your work time. You are paying for the person to work, the AI is just a tool.
Do we pay for an editor to correct grammatical errors and spelling mistakes or use spellcheck?</Devil's advocate>
Do we pay for an editor to correct grammatical errors and spelling mistakes or use spellcheck?</Devil's advocate>
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
I ask again, why do you expect to get my work for free depending on the tools I choose to use?
Work has to be done to generate the AI art, it doesn't generate itself.
Try it. Go and ask an AI to generate some art for a science fiction role playing game.
How long does it take to refine the promts and how many iterations until you get what you want?
You are spending your time doing that. Do you work for free?
Work has to be done to generate the AI art, it doesn't generate itself.
Try it. Go and ask an AI to generate some art for a science fiction role playing game.
How long does it take to refine the promts and how many iterations until you get what you want?
You are spending your time doing that. Do you work for free?
I can "create" computer generated content myself. I want to pay for something that I cannot easily create myself.
pre-2022 if you were not able to create something (to sell) then you probably shouldn't be creating something (to sell) now if you need to use "AI" tools to create it.
PS. This is without even getting into the ability to copyright AI generated content. Which differs from region to region.
pre-2022 if you were not able to create something (to sell) then you probably shouldn't be creating something (to sell) now if you need to use "AI" tools to create it.
PS. This is without even getting into the ability to copyright AI generated content. Which differs from region to region.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
I tend think it could be partially appreciation for a service that I couldn't find by myself, or would be unwilling to spend the time recreating, for uncertain results.
Hey, if other people are willing to pay for what I consider low effort computer generated content, then who am I to stop them from spending their money as they see fit? All I can say is that I personally am not willing to spend my money on that content. If you are able to sell it, good on you. I just wont be a customer. And that is fine.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
My time is valuable, I have money.
I can spend my time using the AI myself or I can pay someone else to do it.
I could spend time on my allotment planting and harvesting, but it is much more convenient to pay someone else to have done all that for me and just get food at a shop.
I can spend my time using the AI myself or I can pay someone else to do it.
I could spend time on my allotment planting and harvesting, but it is much more convenient to pay someone else to have done all that for me and just get food at a shop.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
We're going to have bigger issues with artificial intelligence, in the very near future, so it's not something I view as dealbreaking.
Besides, if the subject has six fingers, it would indicate an alien.
Besides, if the subject has six fingers, it would indicate an alien.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
My personal belief is that "creative endeavors" should be left to sophonts. If non-sentient AI is permitted to inhabit the same financial space as sophont artists, soon you will not have any sophont artists. Actual creativity would be dead. Follow the progression. If AI can do art, it can also write our novels, then writers will no longer be able to make a living. Once they can't make a living at it, we will no longer have writers. All of your roleplaying games will also be made with no creative types. Mongoose would either cease to exist or would entirely be populated by bean-counters and have no more passionate gamers creating something that We have all enjoyed for 40+ years.
Just My 2 cents
Just My 2 cents
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
Things that are AI.....cell phones, smart tvs, spell checkers, siri, alexa, those robo call you keep getting, search engines (google). product placement, some medical procedures, youtube, music, movie special effects, hey this list can go on and on. We use AI every day, AI art is just one more thing. hey im willing to do and experiment and publish a book with no art at all and we can see how many sales i get lol
while i like AI as a small publiher its my only means of art. i alway make refference to it having used AI art so people can decide from that. i will admit i use AI for the text as well........my spell checker! im sure no one will will object to that. but the writing is mine. hell i have the tendancy to be verbos, i think ai would get right to the point but i go on and on lol
while i like AI as a small publiher its my only means of art. i alway make refference to it having used AI art so people can decide from that. i will admit i use AI for the text as well........my spell checker! im sure no one will will object to that. but the writing is mine. hell i have the tendancy to be verbos, i think ai would get right to the point but i go on and on lol
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Your spell checker does not write the material for you.
Your make art button does.
My art isn't what I'd consider great, but I do regularly share it for free. The last batch I put out, people thought it was AI, but it was virtual digital photography of manually posed and lit models with post processing.
Point being, lower quality art is better than AI generated images for the same reasons @MasterGwydion points out.
Your make art button does.
My art isn't what I'd consider great, but I do regularly share it for free. The last batch I put out, people thought it was AI, but it was virtual digital photography of manually posed and lit models with post processing.
Point being, lower quality art is better than AI generated images for the same reasons @MasterGwydion points out.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
I am old. I remember what happened to all of the hardware stores, neighborhood grocery stores, etc after communities allowed major corporations to build the big box stores and supermarkets. I don't want to see the same thing happen to RPGs. It already happened to gaming stores. New paradigms gain us many things, and that is good, but we also need to realize what we lose in the shift to a newer paradigm. Somethings can't be replaced easily if we decide that We want to return to the old paradigm, such as mom and pop shops, artists, writers, and other creative types.
Just food for thought.
Just food for thought.
Speaking as a writer this is a central point - once you reach this stage, then you are going to be endlessly consuming from an AI slop machine... and the results (I am thinking about wider society) will be just awful. I mean... what would we be doing with ourselves if content is primarily coming out of machines?
AI content is interesting to a point, and can certainly find uses (it is certainly a friend to the 'lazy' - or busy - referee)... But for mainline content?
There are issues that need to be addressed...
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Can you guys imagine a world where there are no Tolkiens, Lees (Chris, Stan, and others), Monets, Tupacs, or Heinleins? The world feels like a drearier place just thinking about it.
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