The use of AI generated content in TAS products

[Arkathan]

LOL its funny you mention Tupac since he was a rapper and rapper use other peoples beats in place of making there own music, but i suppose that gets overlooked.

Not when they don't have a license, don't credit the original artist, and the artists/licensing agents are not properly compensated.
When they take the improper shortcuts to steal the works of others, they are referred to as no talent hacks.

 

[Condottiere]

Or get sued.

 

[Sigtrygg]

So that's where he piano teacher got the idea...

 

[Hermit King]

Not when they don't have a license, don't credit the original artist, and the artists/licensing agents are not properly compensated.
When they take the improper shortcuts to steal the works of others, they are referred to as no talent hacks.

but they are taking someone elses work and making it their own! it doesnt matter if they paid for it or credited the artist they are actually using sommeone elses work. now tell me who work did i steal, its ok i'll wait. yes my work might use ideas and and art styles of other artist but i dont use their actual work! you seem to be upset that if i ask ai to draw me a circle then i am inpenging on another artist that came before me and painted a circle. But genres are not the property of anyone. Before Mongoose there was FFG and before them GDW each of these made traveller and whille mongoose may have chosen a diffrent way of expressing those rule it still took the past games into account. You are a gamer so i feel comfotable that at some point you have played other games. How many of those game used concepts from other games? Look at the end of the day im not going to convice you of my point. thats fine we dont have to agree. im just saying that just because some dont like ai why should they kill it for those of us that dont have issues with it.

 

[Arkathan]

but they are taking someone elses work and making it their own! it doesnt matter if they paid for it or credited the artist they are actually using sommeone elses work. now tell me who work did i steal, its ok i'll wait. yes my work might use ideas and and art styles of other artist but i dont use their actual work! you seem to be upset that if i ask ai to draw me a circle then i am inpenging on another artist that came before me and painted a circle. But genres are not the property of anyone. Before Mongoose there was FFG and before them GDW each of these made traveller and whille mongoose may have chosen a diffrent way of expressing those rule it still took the past games into account. You are a gamer so i feel comfotable that at some point you have played other games. How many of those game used concepts from other games? Look at the end of the day im not going to convice you of my point. thats fine we dont have to agree. im just saying that just because some dont like ai why should they kill it for those of us that dont have issues with it.

Whose work did you steal? Every artist used in training and sampling.
It's like a virus snuck into a bank that robs $.00001 from every transaction. Small thefts from everyone, big payout for you.
You aren't asking AI to draw you a circle. Basic drawing programs have a circle tool that lets you drag a circle out until it is the way you want it.
Every rpg currently in existence can trace its origins to the German wargame Kriegsspiel. With an OGL framework, the other games had permission to engage certain mechanics. So your comparison is more along the lines of apples to hand grenades.

I have repeatedly said that you are free to drive off half the community with your chosen business practice. I'm not trying to kill anything. Go for it.

 

[MasterGwydion]

LOL its funny you mention Tupac since he was a rapper and rapper use other peoples beats in place of making there own music, but i suppose that gets overlooked.

No, the original artist gets royalties and gives permission. Tons of case law on this. Try again. I have no empathy for narcissists, expect them to have none for others, and see no need to respond further. Good day.

 

[Hardwire]

A lack of empathy for others is a sign of a morally bankrupt life view. You and I speak for the good of the group, the morally bankrupt can only focus on how it affects them. Welcome to the new normal, narcissism. You can not have a moral discussion with those who care nothing for others.

No lack of empathy is not morally bankrupt, or even a sign of it. I have morals and ethics they just do not match yours. You cry for the plight of artist, That were "Starving Artists" long before AI. I have a realistic outlook on life, compete or move aside.

 

[Hardwire]

Go check out the great work posted at the FB group "Traveller RPG AI Tools" or "Dungeons and AI" - it can hardly be called "AI slop" and honestly, as the viewer you have no idea whether an image contains 1% AI or 100% AI. I've had users tell me they couldn't distinguish my work from paintings published in D&D rulebooks, (I did a series on classic D&D spells - you can find it on my author page on FB). When you are postng in a group of people putting out high quality content, you don't see a lot of slop in that competitive area.

I'm a multimedia artist with an art degree - adding AI to my toolkit didn't take away my credentials. I didn't want to be an artist who lost my job to AI so I learned how to use it to bring my vision of my Traveller universe to life. With some success. The stuff you will see in my galleries isn't "AI slop" straight out of the AI's butt - it is taken into multiple programs, edited, manipulated, enhanced, and put together with intention and purpose from the beginning - its not random.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1267463977901952

Putting that together took expertise across multiple programs; it wasn't random and it took hours to produce. I haven't seen a lot of videos with lifelike characters wearing Vilani name tags. It's a process that's not as easy as people make it out to be.

I think expansions with AI art are better than no expansion at all.

Can you get a lot of weird looking stuff out of midjourney? Yes - but that's not he only program in the world, and it does take training and skill to get good at this - I can add or remove anything I want from an AI scene - and my AI artwork is largely copyrightable, since it is based on my underlying art in many instances.

Indie producers don't have budgets for professional art, and good AI art (I take commissions) can bring a lot of beauty into the world of Traveller (or D&D, GammaWorld, take your pick). As a commercial artist with over 40 years in the industry, I wouldn't hire an artist to illustrate my work, and I still wouldn't after learning how to use AI as part of my toolkit.

Being able to produce artwork on par with the big publishers is one way of leveling the playing field for indie publishers.

I have some products that could be TAS material if not for the stigma of AI (which only SOME people really care about - the vast majority enjoy it as far as I can tell). I even had somebody following me around the FB groups trolling me and trying to get me kicked out for posting AI art (in groups where it is allowed) - only to find out that he was lifting AI art from my website and using it in his YT videos. LOL he blocked me when I pointed it out. So it seems people who complain about it sometimes secretly like it or can't tell the difference.

People are losing their minds over AI art - I've seen people make themselves the self-appointed AI police, then have full-blown public meltdowns on social media over it. It's weird.

Exactly what I was saying, As an artist you embraced the tools provided to enhance your own work, moving with the time. Every time there is a new tool someone will need to decide if they will move with the times or let their profession pass them by. I did it, you did it and others will need to do it at some point.

 

[MasterGwydion]

No lack of empathy is not morally bankrupt, or even a sign of it. I have morals and ethics they just do not match yours. You cry for the plight of artist, That were "Starving Artists" long before AI. I have a realistic outlook on life, compete or move aside.

Morally Bankrupt - See below

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These individuals are often characterized as selfish, greedy, and lacking in empathy for others. They may engage in activities such as fraud, theft, or other forms of dishonesty, without any regard for the harm they cause to others. They may also engage in behaviors that are harmful to themselves, such as drug abuse or gambling addiction.

Morally bankrupt individuals often lack a sense of accountability for their actions and may blame others for their problems. They may also be manipulative and deceitful, using others for their own gain without any concern for their well-being.

In many cases, morally bankrupt individuals may hold positions of power or influence, such as politicians, business leaders, or celebrities. Their actions can have far-reaching consequences, affecting not only those directly involved but also society as a whole.

Despite their lack of moral compass, morally bankrupt individuals may still be successful in their endeavors, often at the expense of others. However, their actions ultimately lead to a loss of trust and respect from those around them, and they may face legal or social consequences for their behavior.

In conclusion, being morally bankrupt is a negative characteristic that reflects a lack of ethical and moral values. It is a term used to describe individuals who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others and engage in unethical or immoral behavior. Such individuals often lack empathy and accountability for their actions, and their behavior can have far-reaching consequences for society as a whole."

This is a direct quote from here https://www.fastslang.com/morally-bankrupt

 

[Enkelas]

Morally Bankrupt - See below

"The term "morally bankrupt" refers to an individual or group who lacks any sense of ethical or moral principles. It is a derogatory term used to describe those who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others, and who engage in behavior that is considered unethical or immoral.

These individuals are often characterized as selfish, greedy, and lacking in empathy for others. They may engage in activities such as fraud, theft, or other forms of dishonesty, without any regard for the harm they cause to others. They may also engage in behaviors that are harmful to themselves, such as drug abuse or gambling addiction.

Morally bankrupt individuals often lack a sense of accountability for their actions and may blame others for their problems. They may also be manipulative and deceitful, using others for their own gain without any concern for their well-being.

In many cases, morally bankrupt individuals may hold positions of power or influence, such as politicians, business leaders, or celebrities. Their actions can have far-reaching consequences, affecting not only those directly involved but also society as a whole.

Despite their lack of moral compass, morally bankrupt individuals may still be successful in their endeavors, often at the expense of others. However, their actions ultimately lead to a loss of trust and respect from those around them, and they may face legal or social consequences for their behavior.

In conclusion, being morally bankrupt is a negative characteristic that reflects a lack of ethical and moral values. It is a term used to describe individuals who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others and engage in unethical or immoral behavior. Such individuals often lack empathy and accountability for their actions, and their behavior can have far-reaching consequences for society as a whole."

This is a direct quote from here https://www.fastslang.com/morally-bankrupt

I would like to add these people seem to think that nothing will happen to them(they will not loose their job, they will not get sick, they will not be in jail, they will not go broke... and so on)

but life gives a lot of turn arounds and sometimes these things happen to them and voila, they start to understand or complaining. And as it well says in your post, they blame others.

beware of the rule of the strongest, because someday could affect you and the ones who you were blaming as weaks or not caring about, will be the only ones that can help you and maybe they will be long gone or will not want to help you

 

[Hermit King]

Whose work did you steal? Every artist used in training and sampling.

You just said it, you have proved my point. AI was TRAINED on other artwork. Is that any different then taking art lessons and learning how to do it. Everyone of us are trained to do thing, we learn to drive, balence a checkbook, cook dinner. We are trained that is way different then copying. We disagree the thats fine and as for running off half the people, i still get half. you can never please everybody. As for the actual argument i would LOVE to be able to have hand drawn artwork but it is cost Prohibitive at best.

 

[Hermit King]

No, the original artist gets royalties and gives permission. Tons of case law on this. Try again. I have no empathy for narcissists, expect them to have none for others, and see no need to respond further. Good day.

Well im sorry you feel that way. i assure you i am not a narcissist nor did i mean to offend you. if i did then i aplogize.

 

[ProfGrizzlyJon]

It might be worth pointing out that the forthcoming Singularity campaign tackles these exact questions... albeit on a somewhat larger scale.

Going to be interesting to see what answers your Travellers come up with...

Fascinating...I can't wait

 

[Arkathan]

You just said it, you have proved my point. AI was TRAINED on other artwork. Is that any different then taking art lessons and learning how to do it. Everyone of us are trained to do thing, we learn to drive, balence a checkbook, cook dinner. We are trained that is way different then copying. We disagree the thats fine and as for running off half the people, i still get half. you can never please everybody. As for the actual argument i would LOVE to be able to have hand drawn artwork but it is cost Prohibitive at best.

And sampled. You conveniently left that out, didn't you? Because it does not fit your narrative.
That bank virus example IS the business model of AI "art."
AI art is the equivalent of allowing gyroscopically stabilized, rocket assisted golf clubs for novices to allow them to compete in the PGA.
Great for the participation trophy crowd.

Prohibitive? You have no previews of art in your listings, except that one cover, as far as I can tell. People are not buying your product for art, and rudimentary stuff, with "pretty" (starfields/industrial plates/ruined buildings) borders would be more than people would expect from the descriptions.

 

[Demon Samurai]

Ai art / images in a publication doesn't particularly bother me, as long as it helps create a particular feeling or atmosphere that the text is trying to evoke. I like seeing atmospheric human created art, but very often, RPGs just don't make enough money to have enough high quality art in them.

 

[MasterGwydion]

Ai art / images in a publication doesn't particularly bother me, as long as it helps create a particular feeling or atmosphere that the text is trying to evoke. I like seeing atmospheric human created art, but very often, RPGs just don't make enough money to have enough high quality art in them.

Traveller Comics and Graphic Novels could fill that niche with enough money for the artists, with Traveller anyhow. Only the RPGs with large followings would be able to do that though.

 

[middenface]

It's just rubbish, don't use it.

Simples.

 

[dragon3r]

I do not use AI art or writing, as a small (one person) publisher, I have used stock art, which I paid for. I try to keep the galleries of only regular artists, as the stock art became flooded with AI art. Blender is good art, for the developer of blender has kept it open, I know some question the quality, which can be so-so. Edit: Plus I don't think it is good for Traveller to center itself in the AI vs artist controversy.

 

[Hardwire]

Morally Bankrupt - See below

"The term "morally bankrupt" refers to an individual or group who lacks any sense of ethical or moral principles. It is a derogatory term used to describe those who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others, and who engage in behavior that is considered unethical or immoral.

These individuals are often characterized as selfish, greedy, and lacking in empathy for others. They may engage in activities such as fraud, theft, or other forms of dishonesty, without any regard for the harm they cause to others. They may also engage in behaviors that are harmful to themselves, such as drug abuse or gambling addiction.

Morally bankrupt individuals often lack a sense of accountability for their actions and may blame others for their problems. They may also be manipulative and deceitful, using others for their own gain without any concern for their well-being.

In many cases, morally bankrupt individuals may hold positions of power or influence, such as politicians, business leaders, or celebrities. Their actions can have far-reaching consequences, affecting not only those directly involved but also society as a whole.

Despite their lack of moral compass, morally bankrupt individuals may still be successful in their endeavors, often at the expense of others. However, their actions ultimately lead to a loss of trust and respect from those around them, and they may face legal or social consequences for their behavior.

In conclusion, being morally bankrupt is a negative characteristic that reflects a lack of ethical and moral values. It is a term used to describe individuals who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others and engage in unethical or immoral behavior. Such individuals often lack empathy and accountability for their actions, and their behavior can have far-reaching consequences for society as a whole."

This is a direct quote from here https://www.fastslang.com/morally-bankrupt

And since you do not know me there is no way you can declare me Morally Bankrupt, just because i do not believe the same way you do. I have Morals and Ethics. You can personally me and slander my name, but will only serve to make you feel better about yourself. Because your beliefs have no bearing on my life.

 

[MasterGwydion]

No lack of empathy is not morally bankrupt, or even a sign of it. I have morals and ethics they just do not match yours. You cry for the plight of artist, That were "Starving Artists" long before AI. I have a realistic outlook on life, compete or move aside.

And since you do not know me there is no way you can declare me Morally Bankrupt, just because i do not believe the same way you do. I have Morals and Ethics. You can personally me and slander my name, but will only serve to make you feel better about yourself. Because your beliefs have no bearing on my life.

I believe the English language says that you are morally bankrupt. As you stated above that lack of empathy is not morally bankrupt or even a sign of it. I disproved that. See below.

Despite their lack of moral compass, morally bankrupt individuals may still be successful in their endeavors, often at the expense of others. However, their actions ultimately lead to a loss of trust and respect from those around them, and they may face legal or social consequences for their behavior.

In conclusion, being morally bankrupt is a negative characteristic that reflects a lack of ethical and moral values. It is a term used to describe individuals who prioritize their own interests over the well-being of others and engage in unethical or immoral behavior. Such individuals often lack empathy and accountability for their actions, and their behavior can have far-reaching consequences for society as a whole."

This is a direct quote from here https://www.fastslang.com/morally-bankrupt

In case you didn't see it the first time, including a link to its source.

I am not required to know you to know that you are morally bankrupt. All I need to see is your lack of empathy for others. Go read the whole page that I gave the address for. It may be enlightening for some of you, others, not so much.