Why did I even bother reading this board??

[The Old Soldier]

Do some of you guys realize that your ranting, drives others away? I'm surprised MP hasn't canned the lot of you. :x

I drift in now and then for inspiration that a few here give me. Evil's Bugship's and others great postings on conversions, tips and tricks. These are the things that make this website great.

The rest of you, and you and other know who I'm talking about, need to just leave, please. You have not contributed anything other than gaining my contempt. :evil:

It doesn't matter if MP is late with product, or even prints anymore stuff, what is out is fine by me, any more goodies is cake!! It is just a game, not your life. What I don't have yet, I will make, and if later MP does put out the good stuff, I'll be happy to add to my collection. 8)

Well that is my rant, I'm going back to add that new King Tanker conversion to my Hive, and start card constuction of some slingshots.

I'll check out this site again in a week or so, maybe there will be some cool stuff to discuss and show. If I ever get a computer and a camera, I'll add my conversions to this site for discussion. Best to those that carry on and enjoy gaming and life, the rest of you need to grow up. :twisted:

 

[Dr. Rooster]

I did leave for a time. I became busy with other matters at the time (dancing, girls, etc.) and went on a 6-month hiatus. Since Mongoose was taking time to re-boot SST, I took time to myself as well.

Now, as far as telling those of us who were unsatisfied with some of the products released by this company to just leave, I think that's uncalled for. And here's why;

Mongoose relies heavily on customer feedback in order to satisfy us in the future. If we think a product is unsatisfactory, then I believe it is productive to inform Mongoose.

I personally have not lost faith in SST. I saw some flaws in the older models and such. But look what happened. Mongoose heard us and responded by taking time to correct their mistakes.

I do agree with you on one thing however; we should not get impatient with Mongoose. Don't rush them and urge them to release products earlier than they think is reasonable. Remember, the longer they spend working to correct what they did wrong before, the better the end result will be.

Stay cool folks. It'll all turn out smooth. 8)

 

[Turtle]

For me it's not a matter of faith in a company. I don't have company loyalty or faith in a company. I laughed out loud one one guy called me a fanboy.

Instead, I've observed some real action from Mongoose to do things right.

The evolution rules had many of the changes I wanted for the SST rules. That's honest work right there.

The rules were released well ahead of the game, and when Hiro posted the stats, they did not immediately ask to remove them. Instead they announced that all the unit stats would be available in signs and portents.

Then they announced the same for SSTE. That's solid actions right there.

So yes, we do have a wait, but so far besides that wait, nothing mongoose has done for these new releases have been shady. There's delays, but that's just life. It is nice that they're really pushing the whole, new release every month deal. I don't know if they can hold to it, but it's nice that they try to make up for the lack of releases for SST towards the end.

What happened with the original SST was a big disapointment for me in the way there were all those redundant unit types, more and more MI variants almost as bad as Space Marines. I even saw a lot of cash in models in my eyes. The rules were problematic for me, and the lack of additional armies made it very difficult to promote here in my area. The skinnies just didn't cut it in my area.

 

[tneva82]

Remember, the longer they spend working to correct what they did wrong before, the better the end result will be.

Oh no. Everybody knows that the faster you release product the better it is going to be :lol: Taking your time working on it only makes product worse...

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Now, as far as telling those of us who were unsatisfied with some of the products released by this company to just leave, I think that's uncalled for. And here's why;

Mongoose relies heavily on customer feedback in order to satisfy us in the future. If we think a product is unsatisfactory, then I believe it is productive to inform Mongoose.

There's a huge gulf between constructive criticism and the kind of complaining a lot of people on here have partaken in, and that's what Old soldier is talking about. If you have genuine concerns about SST, then voice them in a calm and resonable manner. Hysterical and/or insulting messages just contribute negativity.

 

[Oldbury]

I agree entirely with you and with Old soldier, I've got so sick of hearing the same of whinging; "Oh mongoose doesn't love us..."

You've been told when the game is out. So how about, you know this is a shocking concept, waiting until it's actually released. Then looking and seeing whats its like. Then by all means complain just view the product first.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Well, the reason I and a lot of my friends use and trust this forum is that the complainers are left to it. If mongoose did in fact can the lot of them, then this forum would be as meaningless as the rest.

I'm not interested in the delays, I'm sold on the game and can wait.......... so I just don't read the threads complaining about delays. Pretty simple.

Who decides what's constructive and what isn't?

It's an open forum, that's why it works. If a thread is getting bogged down with needless criticism then it's no threat to the game. No new forum user is going to trawl through it all. If they do, then they are allready in aren't they?

I think someone telling people they should just leave is far more likely to lose posters than anything else.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one can make you read it though.

Without the criticism, you wouldn't get the counter arguments that show exactly why mongoose is delaying the game..... the commitment that those of us have to the game shines through all of these threads without being mindless 'fanboy' drivel.
Without it, you would simply have 'the games been delayed' .... 'oh good, that is a positive move'. Which no one will swallow.
As it stands you get an argument...... which is good, it shows that the forum is real, not just some self serving publicity tool.
I'm much more inclined to believe something I read hear than on other companies forums.

In fact, when I first came on this forum I was asking about the quality of the minis, we were having problems selling our group on the game (particularly the cap troopers and the heroes of the imperium pack). I was flamed pretty badly by a certain someone and almost turned my back on the game (noone tried to convince me the game was good, just repeated that the model were great). Fortunately we started playing GOMC-1 later on, that rekindled our interest and we got back into it. So, that poster almost cost mongoose our massive SST collection (all options bug, cap, pathfinder, marauder forces), and eight players who've been dedicated to the game since it started.
And that wasn't from criticism of the game, that was because the response to my questioning the sculpts was denial of my right to ask. i.e. 'if you don't like the models then convert them', 'if you had an ounce of modelling skill you could fix that' etc... etc... nothing constructive, just telling me that I was wrong to be unhappy with the models.

Can you guess who that poster was?

Anyway, I think you'll find that ranting just bores people and they stop reading. It's locking down other peoples opinions that kills enthusiasm
I'd rather ignore a few ranting threads than use a draconian forum that didn't allow everyone to express their opinion.
On the front page of the forum, there are currently two threads that could be described as 'complaining'. Not bad if you ask me.

Anyway, if no one gave atoss about the delay, it wouldn't say much for our sense of anticipation would it?

 

[Hiromoon]

It wasn't me, was it?

 

[JoseDominguez]

Nope. You are one of the posters who's opinions I trust most. You are committed to the game but don't blindly accept everything. You may not agree with someone, but I've never seen you tell them their opinion shouldn't be heard.

Probably because you are capable of ignoring a pointless rant

 

[Hiromoon]

Whew...

Wait... WHAT?

Don't you know what you're doing?!? RUUUUUN!!

 

[JoseDominguez]

He he, I love this forum, I don't want it to change, I like the fact that stuff rarely gets deleted (and it's always been for good reason).
Calls to ban posters who's opinions aren't wanted (by certain people) are just wrong. You can ignore a thread you don't want to read. The best way to deal with the criticism threads is simply don't argue. If your real concern is the future of the game, then post a new thread about something positive, the criticism thread will rapidly vanish down the list won't it?
If people keep it alive, then, it's probably for a reason.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

I'd never call for someone to be banned for complaining. I just don't think the kind of mindless ranting some posters indulge in is worthwhile, and it just brings a bunch of negativity and animosity to the community. Which isn't to say that the blind "I love Mongoose" types are much better. That said, I'm sure most of the board falls into the happy medium.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Yup, so like most posters, you can ignore the tripe

The haters give the site credibility.

 

[Proteus454]

Personally, I predict a significant spike in useful traffic hereabouts once the next S&P comes out. *g*

 

[Goldwyrm]

I give Mongoose all the credit in the world for not taking a strong hand in moderating these boards.

I don't have a problem with strong opinions either way. I believe a person on the other side of the keyboard is not just the sum of a few negative posts and I try to understand their position even if I don't agree. Of course I give more credence to those arguments that are well stated. If someone wants to rant about Mongoose or rant about anything, I'm less likely to be swayed away from my existing viewpoint by a venomous post. The beauty is that everyone is allowed an opinion here and compared to the rest of the industry, the representatives from Mongoose are very good listeners and reply in a professional manner.

 

[gorkamorka]

Ranting doesn't drive people away...
In fact, " the other guy" was one of the backbones of the game when this board first started, and aside from all of the happy thoughts, This is a Paid for product. Your opinion might hold more weight if you bought our figures for us, but you didn't, so...

Sucky figs and the little left holding the bag feeling when you go to your local shop and the owner laughs in your face for even mentioning SST to him, and almost getting into a fight over of all things... mini's.

Of course, you could add a few more to the " inner circle" of special people who get to do a little more then blow money on a product that will be called off the market, only to be replaced by ...

of course, Koolaid is good, though, can you please, please leave out grape for me? It isn't cool at all to give out news such as" we are shelving the product that you were most interested in because of our own foolishness of trying to sell you kaka." Maybe it is on some other planet, but I'd expect a little more skepticism after a trick like that.

The forum is fine, if you don't like it, ignore it. If the post is a lie, prove it... and move on.

I think the opinions here are valid, and if you really want to know it, discontent keeps things honest. And if you really want to know it, even after seeing the figs, I'm sorry to even play the game, if this is "90% better then gamers can paint."

For something constructive- I am painting up a squad of Cap troopers in desert camo. dry brushing tan over a black undercoat looks good, and you don't have to spend alot of time getting a squad together.

 

[MaxSteiner]

I gotta chime in here to, this forum is one of the better ones simply because theres a wide range of opinions here.
There have been plenty of releases which even MSprange has had to admit were frankly subpar, on certain company forums all you would hear are 'oooh these are the best things ever', here at least there were some people willing to call a cack scuplt a turd (Even if they did end up getting flamed for it). Its the fact that both sides are presented that are the sign of a balanced and level headed community, to be brutally honest, as incensed as you probably get at times, people on the other side of the fence get just as riled up by the blind devotion and denial of the facts. Skinny slaves spring to mind, the fact that anyone could claim the models were 'Ok, they just needed their heads changing and some major modeling work done' boggled the mind, and had that been the only opinion expressed Mongoose could have easily become tarred with the fanboy brush.

That said, at the moment I think some of the complaining at the moment seems a bit groundless, since the main topic seems that theres nothing to form an opinion on (Due to lack of news/previews etc) . Mongoose is trying, and attempting to insinuate that all these set backs are driven by malicous intent seems absurd in the extreme. Most of this can at least wait till S&P comes out this month and we at least have something to look at.
But on the other hand, I think people need to accept that theres a hell of alot of old SST players who are going to be returning to find theres actually less topics on this forum than before, no news or pictures that weren't around 6 months ago and the release has been delayed again...
Coming back to find theres been no discussion at all on these things is going to make the game seem deader than a dodo.

End of the day, things aren't all rosey cheeked, and if the forum was just full of people saying 'Ooooh Im so glad the games been delayed again now I can save up more money to spend on models ' then people checking the forums for the first time are just gonna end up going else where for some balaced view. But the reverse is also true, no one wants to check a forum full of 'Mongoose ruined my life, without a fresh dose of miniature crack my life is meaningless.... My death is on their hands! :evil: '.
Thankfully theres a simple answer to all this, post, adress the balance anyway you seem fit, thats what a forums for!

 

[Goldwyrm]

For something constructive- I am painting up a squad of Cap troopers in desert camo. dry brushing tan over a black undercoat looks good, and you don't have to spend alot of time getting a squad together.

I forgot to add my constructive bit. I recently got my Roughneck squad assembled a few nights ago and they're on deck to be primered along with 20 LAMI, Reliant platform crews, female CAP troopers and Heroes of the Federation. I've got a Thorny Tanker Bug and some extra Marauders up next for assembly. I'm also working on a new terrain board, something like a Alien world dried up ocean bed with deep canyons.

 

[Avenger6]

Jose Dominguez and recently shared some heated posts. However we both thought long and hard about how we addressed the question and each other, and came I believe to a strong mutual understanding. Of course we started from the same place, we love this game, and respect the members of this forum. I agree with Old Soldier in some areas. I would not however support heavy handed censorship of the forum. It took Jose and I five or six posts to come to an understanding. Cutting off that discussion would have prevented me from learning from his experience. Now we did not descend to the level of slinging verbal s**t at each other. Which I am proud of. The name calling and berating that occasionally happens is the only thing that disappoints me. I would only ask that we recognize that we are a community of like minded individuals who want the same thing to keep SST alive and to refine our play and the game to the highest level.

 

[JoseDominguez]

But that's just it..... we had a pretty heated discussion that worked out really well. I have heated discussions with my friends all of the time, the only thing I hate is when someone backs down and tries to save face with a 'well I'm not arguing' or whatever. That's a lack of conviction.
As for the complaining..... who cares? The only people it can really hurt is mongoose, they are obviously capable of ignoring it, so why can't we?