What happened to the Narn???????

[katadder]

Katadder, why are you so hung up on e-mines?

No one is saying give the Narn interceptors (the EA 'special system'), no one is saying improve the fighter compliment, no one is saying give the G'Quan a rear beam, or more speed. That would be trying to make the ships the same.

You don't have any answer at all to the fluff questions, just like the Centauri loyalists pre-second edition arguing for their beam heavy ships, evidence from the show be damned.

Your answer to the idea of balance between ships of the same level is to pull out other inferior ships (not so much the Avioki). Um, do you not even see the issue here? I can argue back that the Nightfalcon is a command/carrier ship (historically screwed int his game) and the Raider Nova is part of a race that is screwed because the race is admittedly designed to be under the others so it is 'a challenge'. But neither of those touches on the problem. The ships should be able to fufill their roles equally well or they shouldn't cost the same in pl slots. If you have more roles you fill you should do each roll less well than the ship that has fewer rolls.

I just showed the Omega and G'Quan to the player who originally got me into the game but has since moved on and asked whether they were balanced. Answer, no, the Omega has more guns at better ranges, better and more fighters, and better defense.

eh...

Ripple

fine lets go by the show. every hit against a G'quan auto results in a 6,6 crit. that should get G'quans blowing up like they do in the show

as the previous poster stated its about the place in a fleet. at raid the narn have the dag'kar, var'nic and t'loth against the hyperion, delphi and explorer.
you cannot compare a fleet on one ship. the G'quan is a fine ship and fits in the fleet it is part of.

 

[Burger]

fine lets go by the show. every hit against a G'quan auto results in a 6,6 crit. that should get G'quans blowing up like they do in the show

As long as every ship firing at it is a Shadow Ship, sure!
When it fought other enemies it seemed quite good, a damaged one took out a Primus (with B5's help)...

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Although that G'Quan in In the Beginning does get aced by a single volley from a Vorchan, and that one in Acts of Sacrifice gets killed by a few salvoes from three Vorchans. They're not exactly durable from what we see on screen...

 

[Burger]

That Vorchan in ITB wasn't a real Vorchan was it? (Retcon 4tw!)
And the one in Acts was the tail end of a big battle, it could well have been severely damaged previously, the 3 vorchans being kill-stealers!

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Ah, Burger, always ready with the retcon and straw-grasping... :wink:

 

[Burger]

People said the G'Quan that fires off-boresight is because it has a refit off the refits table, so I think my reasoning is just as sound as that :lol:

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Ah, maybe, but then, I didn't agree with that refits table nonsense either...

 

[Goldritter]

People said the G'Quan that fires off-boresight is because it has a refit off the refits table, so I think my reasoning is just as sound as that :lol:

Which refit do you mean ?

I´ve looked at the Refit Table of the Narn and the only refit which increase firepower was one for Ion torpedo and one for the Ion Cannons ans Light Pulse Cannons.

No increase in Firepower for the Laser .
Only in Range and change from Boresight to Front.

 

[Da Boss]

the change to F arc is what they are discussing

 

[Hans Olo]

fine lets go by the show. every hit against a G'quan auto results in a 6,6 crit. that should get G'quans blowing up like they do in the show

as the previous poster stated its about the place in a fleet. at raid the narn have the dag'kar, var'nic and t'loth against the hyperion, delphi and explorer.
you cannot compare a fleet on one ship. the G'quan is a fine ship and fits in the fleet it is part of.

Which role is that exactly?
One of the worst ideas was to make the priority levels something that's not fixed. That results in Ships being a week Battle choice, what is completely against the idea of balancing.
If you justify a weak choice with other choices in a different priority level which are a strong choice for their level you open doors for imbalance or at least you create ships no one wants to choose.
You have to create priority levels that are fix, a Battle ship is a Battle ship and it must be equal in strength to other Battle level ships.
The G'Quan fills the role of the weak spot in the fleet right now.
Its not enough to say the G'Quan is all right because it has it's role within the fleet.

 

[inq101]

Roll of 10 on the refits.

 

[Foxmeister]

As someone new to the game, I chose the Narn before I even got hold of a copy of the fleet lists.

Now that I have them, I'm very pleased with my choice - they are exactly what I wanted.

I spent a good couple of hours last night going through the book just getting a feel for the lists of the "major" powers (e.g. Narn, Minbari, Centauri, and Earth) and I specifically compared the Narn to 3rd age Earth Alliance.

The one thing that really struck me was how much weaponry the Narn have access to that is range 30"+ compare to the Earth alliance.

Sure, the Omega does have a few advantages over the G'Quan, and on balance it is a better ship. However, when you look at the lists as a whole, the Omega is one of the few 3rd age ships with weapons that can reach out to 30", and the others are usually restricted to relatively low AD missiles. Indeed, much of the EA ships can't even get to 20" range. The Narn however, are well kitted out for a long range duel, even at Skirmish PL.

As has been stated before, looking at a ship in isolation probably isn't a great idea. The PL system does not allow any degree of granularity and so there will be ships at the top of the scale and those at the bottom - the G'Quan just happens to be below the Omega, but there are other ships in the Narn list that are significantly above their contempories in the EA list.

All that being said, I can see that I'd almost always take a G'Tal over a G'Quan, as the extra traits of the G'Tal more than make up for the loss of a couple of Frazi flights once the e-mine has been expended. If I had carte-blanche to change just one thing on the G'Quan, it would probably be to give the G'Quan the same e-mine as the G'Karith.

Of course, I wouldn't mind a couple of extra AD on the front boresight beam, but I do appreciate that not all ships with a PL are going to be 100% equal.

Regards,

Dave