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I think you put way too much thought into what BFE is.

But to give you a better idea:

IT'S FICTION!

Doesn't matter if it's just 10 years into the future, 100 years into the future, or 40,000 years into the future. BFE is a work of fiction just like Clancy novels, fantasy games, or scifi mass battle games are.

It's fiction.

So, why does it matter if it's not a true modern game? Why does it matter exactly why these four armies are all fighting each other? Why does it matter if certain countries are allied that wouldn't ally? Why does it matter if certain countries are fighting that wouldn't fight?

Well, you answered your own question: "A "Near Future" game allows creative license". That's why the game is set in a near future setting, not a modern setting, and not a realistic setting. Frankly it just sounds like you want a modern game and are complaining that a newly released product doesn't watch what you want.

And for that matter, what's with all those weird one liners that you need to translate? "This dog won't hunt"? I mean, of course it's too outlandish to be taken seriously, so don't try to take it seriously.

Wah wah wah about the minis is all I've been hearing. I'll wait to see them in store before I decide to buy them. And for that matter, that's all there is to it. There is no greater morality and good vs. evil philosophy behind the sales of miniatures of questionable quality. I'll take that stance about the issues afflicting the world today, but when it comes to miniatures, if I don't like them there's plenty of other modern manufacturers to cover the core BFE units, by then I they'll either have fixed the production issues or changed factories.
 
If it makes you so mad, and you are not playing WHY post?

If you need attention that mad miss a few creid card payments dyour car note, plenty of folks will call you and talk with you.

Good Bye
Lee
 
Hiromoon said:
EFTF vs USMC => Trickier.

Hmmm lets see Bush keeps pushing and England and they and the rest of NATO decide the USA is lost and breaks away to let us flounder on our on.


But I have been known to be wrong.

Lee
 
How about another illegal trade tariff imposed on foreign steel?
Or unsanctioned action in certain socialist S/American countries?
Maybe a slap on the wrists of the EU for having a more attractive currency than the $ (And for activly muscling in on traditional $ markets)?
Maybe covert attacks on each others aeronautics/high tech firms to get business contracts...
Or the use of the Echelon system to spy on foreign trade agreements?

And thats just stuff that could happen/has happened in the modern day. Admitadly those wouldn't lead to a war at the moment, but theres still alot of pieces left on the board at this stage, who could say what will happen ten years down the line?

===>Edited because I clicked submit instead of preview :D
 
I have to chime in with a repeat of the 'why are you even posting comment' and the 'do you act this way in public' comment. Hint: Free market economy + democracy = you choose with your patronage and your money.

Just the fact that Mongoose is potentially opening the door to get younger/more folks involved in not so fantasy/sci-fi gaming is great to me.

The near future setting is perfect as by the time the product hits the street half that stuff is already being tested in the field. I played Challenger II for years but they just couldn't keep up with advances not to mention that most of the newest stuff is so classified that stats for a game are conjecture anyway.

As for the GHQ comment, I love the company but there is nothing appreciable out there for good rules to play with them. They are from the US and there are hardly any distributors here that even bother to carry them. They make railroading kits that outsell their modern military mini's here! I'd love some decent rules so that my Soviet Motor Rifle regiment and Armor regiment, Bundeswer brigade and US Armored Cav squadron could see the light of day again.

If the rules are good and the mini's are OK maybe somebody will finally play something close to modern with me instead of the neverending WWII games or steampunk or fantasy or far sci-fi tripe!
 
I'm guessing you were asking about the steel thing Hiro?

Heres some links from both sides of the arguaments:
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wto/800.html
http://www.house.gov/list/press/in01_visclosky/itc030619.html
http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/11/11/cx_da_1111topnews.html

It was a massive thing when it kicked of and looked like it was going to get pretty nasty for a while...
 
So, it's a war incited by Russian buisnessmen, seeking to further their market share and increase their profits...

Tom Clancy anyone?
 
:lol: maybe thats why Mongoose has left them out as a faction!
They're sitting there quietly not making any waves, till the last moment when they attack the few stragled survivors in a mad last ditch attempt to unite the world beneath the hammer and sickle!
 
Damn I was trying to work out some kind of "I hope the Russians love their children too" gag based on steel... but it just isn't working... And I've just remembered how much Sting sucks... :?
 
Who says it would be a US action that would damage the transatlantic alliance?

* The EU gets too enthusiastic in an intervention in a former colony.

* European money is funneled into a US election.

* EU refuses to turn over wanted terrorists for fear the US would mistreat them.
 
Thats true actually, we probably legally wouldn't turn over a terrorist suspect because

1) The US still has the death penalty
and
2) The US doesn't recognise the international court of law

I thought it was alright to funnel money into other peoples elections though? Everyones at in eastern europe :D
 
I can boil down Scipio's comments into "that" word again: fluff. I for one would like to see some carefully thought out background that gave some meat for teeth to chew on. Since this is the near future, any background will need to be much more thought out than the "safer" territory that is the SST universe for example. In other words, any story lines need to mesh well with current events or possible futures. There can't be a lame premise for an EFTF-v-USMC event that is described as payback for Boston Harbor by sacking British Starbucks locations (Hmm, then again? Naaaah) :roll: . One way to accomplish this particular mix might be as a joint exercise for yes (you guessed it) a war-gaming exercise :idea: to test out the latest versions of the "Future Soldier" and "FIST" gear :wink:. As another concept if you had enough of the EFTF infantry to split them up into two teams you might paint the base edges of one side with water soluble paint temporarily (or masking tape them) making a red/blue breakup of the EFTF minis. I say this because I'd get yelled at if I suggested the Canadian side of my suggestion were directed to play with the USMC minis :wink:. Now that you know what one side is, here is the second side using EFTF minis- Denmark :shock: . I would call it a heating up of what is being called the "google war" over Hans Island. My premise is that if England and Argentina can fight over the Falklands (OK, the Malvinas for you in the south latitudes) then Canada and Denmark can have a scuffle over Hans Island (look it up). With global warming possibly opening up the Northwest Passage over the top of the world and oil deposits, this could get serious fast. For those that didn't run right out and look it up, here you are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island. These ideas need not change any bigger histories that become official histories and can be run independently from the game's canon. It's a bit more work, but possibly rewarding. Now just maybe I'll go off and brush up on my idea for the reopening of the Pig War between Britain and America, eh? No, I do not mean the conflict between the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Serbia. No, I do not even mean the "Boer War" as that was something quite different. For those that I've got curious read on (come on Scipio, you'll love it! The original "war" even had some famous names like that of General Winfield Scott and Captain George Pickett [sound familiar???]) :lol:.

http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/pigwars.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War

http://www.wahmee.com/pigwar.html

http://www.nps.gov/archive/sajh/pig_war_resource_guide.htm

http://www.nps.gov/archive/sajh/Trunk-1.pdf
 
Mr Evil said:
usmc V eft could just be a training mission ?

whoa we could play taht like a billion times and even make a campaign out of it the they could all go back and live in a gum drop house on lollypop lane!!!!!


look even in bab5 the goodguys fight and havea pretense for some hard arsed wars. What this game needs is fluff SST never really had one it broke the movie, the series and the book into tiny shards that were swept up and depositied in the RPG... so most of us got the rpg.

If this game was modern you could make the 3rd company 101st the same unit your dad was in etc or little johnnys grandad or you could have read about them in the actions in a history book, this is why Flames of war rocks... the fluff for this is everywhere!

40k and SST have bothe very compelling story lines. They give you background fluff and everything. If this game fails in it the continuity will be crap.

though i do like the figs plz plz plz make them the same size as the current SST stuff.
 
Mr Evil said:
usmc V eft could just be a training mission ?

I helped run an OGRE scenario at a con a few years ago that had each Ogre player role-playing that he was a super-tank AI and was "in training" inside of a computer program competing with all of the other super-tank AI "students". Since I had one of the first production Ogre models that was marketed as a "Cthulu/Ogre" hybrid (believe it!), I threw it into the game and presented it as a computer virus, lol! It shows you what a bit of imagination can do, lol. The players had to learn to stop fighting each other and join forces in order to stop it, as its damage kept regenerating. They finally stopped shooting at each other and barely stopped it before it wiped them all out. Since it was a points earned scenario, it still worked well and was a blast for the players. Pure war-game mixed with a bit of RPG with giant tanks and a giant possessed tank from the deep dark ocean. It was a riot! Steve Jackson had originated the scenario as Exercise K but I called my variant ExOrcise K. :wink:


combatdroid113 said:
though i do like the figs plz plz plz make them the same size as the current SST stuff.

I don't think you're going to get your wish, but they won't probably be too far off of SST. If SST is 30mm then these should be 28mm.
 
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