Wave 2 Previews - Opinions Welcome

[Kristovich]

It's a step up from the current Wave 1, and I like it!

 

[anton970]

Looking a lot better Matt, The british seem to have some strange coloured webbing though? but the MEA are spot on compared to wave one!

 

[nezeray]

I'm waiting to judge until I see the USMC figures. Those "droopy eyed" sunglasses are burned into my retinas.

Oh and the PLA, since they looked the most like Michael Jackson.

Nezeray

 

[tnjrp]

What still bothers me about these models are the eyes. The "black sockets" look is an improvement over "bulbous, staring orbs", but somehow I can't help feeling they'd be bestest with "no eyes at all". Possible the figs of another prepainted-offering compary have coloured my perception tho :wink:

 

[Aniyn]

Well, I honestly quite disappointed. These aren't anything i'd be "proud to display on my mantle," and I have a very hard time believing adrian couldn't tell these from his own.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect anymore from mongoose, or if it's going to be worthwhile in the end.

 

[Turtle]

Nothing special... until you realize these figures are at best 1.5 inches tall.

People tend to forget that what viewing extreme close-ups of miniatures.

I move that mongoose only posts pictures with both the tabletop distance view (average distance from standing person to tabletop) and the close-ups inset into the image so that they can't be posted seperately.

And honestly, is anyone here actually expecting studio quality paint jobs? Please, I'd buy if it looked good at tabletop distance. You can complain about the paint quality, say the big eyes, until you realize those eyes are only a few millimeters wide.

 

[Col. Hammer]

Now that I've seen wave 1 minis (that were supposedly bad paintjobs, but in real life looked good enough for me to be happy about them), the paintjob for wave 2 looks even better...

I have no doubts anymore.

Now let us see the SAS!

 

[Mac V]

Yeah! SAS ould be nice! It does seem that the opinion tide is turning on the minis as people see them. I just onder if it's enough to repair the damage the pics did...

 

[Rob_A]

These are so much better, thats if these are what they will be shipping.
I want pre-painted stuff like AT-43, you just need to add a bit more highlighting and shading. Which these have allowed. Can't wait to get my hands on the Feyadeen.

 

[Larac]

And perhaps give up on painting eyes until it works a lot better.

Other than that they are Usable Wave 1, and getting better Wave 2.


Lee

 

[Poko]

painting eyes should generally be left out(or stick to the black dot), since if it's not done expertly,it turns out..well, bad. i know,i'v tried :wink:

 

[patton]

i'm not gunna lie, these are terrible sculpts and paint jobs, mongoose needs to step up. I love starship troopers, if more people would play it it would be the main game that i play, but no one will touch it because of the models. i know i'll get flamed for this majorly but i love starship troopers, and if it will be based off this, i think they need to up the quality. flame away.

 

[SeattleGamer]

I'm not gunna lie, these are terrible sculpts and paint jobs, mongoose needs to step up.

Well, that's a bit harsh. The sculpts are okay, not stunning or amazing or action-packed, but servicable. For the most part they look like they are doing something, so that helps. The paint jobs are not terrible either. An improvement over what Wave 1 became, still not close enough to the promise of Wave 1 to be able to claim better than 90%. These are maybe better than 65%.

I love starship troopers, if more people would play it it would be the main game that i play, but no one will touch it because of the models.

I doubt this is true. Up until a few months ago, SST was all about models you built and painted yourself, and I believe it had/has a strong following. The only criticism I remember hearing about a LOT involved the Skinnies range. But the basic MI and Bug figs were well liked (at least that's what I understood from reading a lot of posts).

I have stayed away from SST completely because of the minis, but not because they suck. Gaming with minis is an expensive hobby, and I've learned over time you need to think "out of the box". I'll buy into a game because you like it, but ONLY if I can use those minis for other rules as well. The more rule sets you have where those minis can be used, the cheaper it is to get into the game (your investment spreads out over more games). Since all of my Sci-fi is 28mm, and since Mongoose chose to go with a 32mm or bigger scale, it's just enough out of whack for me to pass.

I know i'll get flamed for this majorly but i love starship troopers, and if it will be based off this, i think they need to up the quality. flame away.

I totally agree with you here, but for a different possible game. I want pre-painted non-collectible minis to catch on big time. I prefer to game not paint, but I'll go with primered minis before paying for poor quality. I want BFE to succeed so that Mongoose will do this for OTHER genres. SST won't interest me because they will stay locked into their 32mm scale. But if they tackled WWII in 28mm, prepainted to the level I see in Wave 2, I'd drop a grand into the game in 6 months.

But Mongoose won't give another genre a try if BFE turns out to be a bum product. So yes, Mongoose needs to step it up two notches. Better sculpts, and better paint jobs than Wave 2.

Steve

 

[Mr Evil]

Nothing special... until you realize these figures are at best 1.5 inches tall.

People tend to forget that what viewing extreme close-ups of miniatures.

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1.5 " tall !!!!!!! are you insane !!!!! their about 1" tall 1.5" tall is about 35mm !!!!

at beat their between 25mm and 28mm tall id say. and anatomicly correct, ie half as thin + than a gw guardsman.

 

[SeattleGamer]

Mr. Evil ... are you seriously trying to tell us that these minis are 25-28mm tall? No way!!!

They are likely 28mm at best to their eye level, which would make them 31-32mm to top of head, and these guys are wearing helmets, so you could add a little more. I'd be surprised if the overall height of a soldier (from bottom of feet to top of headhear) was anything less than 31-32mm.

Which probably puts them at 1.25" tall not counting the base.

 

[Mr Evil]

1- 1/16" of an inch yu mean

grrr people and their imperial metric conversions, !!!

one of the tallest figs apparently is the leader for the MEA and hed be hitting 28-29mm to top of his head.

the rest would sit arouns the 26-28 mm to top of head, when talking scale of 1.65 we talk to top of head, if scale talked in relation to hieght in mm then it is to eyes not top of head, the mini scale is 25mm, but fig hieght is 28mm.

now there is no 3mm in between head top and eyes, but this is again to another weirdness in scale, 1/65 scale is done to a person standing foot to foot straight up, while 25mm scale is done from crouching slobish hieght, so when standing up the fig is slightly taller than 25mm from foot to eye.

also another weird thing is 1:65 is scaled to an average height of 180cm for a european male. while 25mm is averaged at 5'10" lol its a funny old world this scaleing.

hope that amy exsplain some of the descrepancies for you.

but basicly these modles in height are 27-28mm in height, see my (scale in a new light post) elese where in this section with pics.

 

[SeattleGamer]

Hmmm. At 25.4mm to an inch, a figure that stands 31mm tall is standing 6mm taller than 1" which is roughly 1/4 (or .25) of an inch. So no, I didn't mean 1 1/16 I did indeed mean 1 1/4 inch.

However, that was all based on my assumption that 28mm was to eye level (which is how some manufacturers do things now - in fact I'm holding a 28mm figure in my hands right now that is 28mm to eye level, so 31mm to top of hair).

If you are telling me you have measured an actual figure (MEA leader) and he measures to 28/29mm to top of his headgear, then (a) I'm really surprised, and (b) very happy to hear that!!!

Thanks!

 

[patton]

Seatle Gamer, i agree with you very much so, and the bad sst models i was talking about were the skinnys, i failed to clarify, although i feel that there were some scale issues with the MI(LAMI being taller than Cap troopers?)but i don't think those paintjobs are better than 65% of what painters can do. Maybe i just live in a very talented area, but those don't look anybetter than other prepaints out on the market now. No offense intended to anyone.

 

[umw]

These figures look bad. I've bought some bad figs from Mongoose before but these take the cake. Is the stratagy somthing like, all the guys that are too lazy to paint won't mind? Come on guys! I'm trying to support you, but I will not pay for the absence of quality.

Just so this isn't a totally negative rant, I should point out that I've never played and as such make no claims as to the quality of the game itself...just the figs. And to hear they are out of scale with other figs that I collect (and that Mongoose makes.) is too much. No, No, and No for B.F.O. :x

 

[Paladin]

i don't think those paintjobs are better than 65% of what painters can do. Maybe i just live in a very talented area, but those don't look anybetter than other prepaints out on the market now.

I'm pretty sure Mongoose has withdrawn that statement after getting the production models that didn't match the original prototypes from the manufacturing company. And I've no doubt MP is just as disappointed as we are in the bait and switch.