Treasure of Tranicos
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VincentDarlage
Mongoose
The Black Stranger as written did not fit the chronology that de Camp believed in. De Camp wanted Thoth-amon to be a foil for Conan, so he wanted Thoth-amon in the story. Also, the original ending did not suit de Camp - he wanted the story to lead right into Conan's usurpation of the throne, instead of as a springboard to another pirate career.
De Camp rewrote the part of "Wolves on the Border" that establishes that nearly a six to ten years had passed since "Beyond the Black River" and Conan's assumption of Aquilonia's throne. He wanted a faster transition than Howard did.
De Camp's Chronology: Pool of the Black One, Red Nails, Jewels of Gwahlur, Beyond the Black River, Treasure of Tranicos, Wolves Beyond the Border (within weeks or months of Treasure of Tranicos), Phoenix on the Sword.
Rippke's Chronology (using only Howard sources): Pool of the Black One, Beyond the Black River, The Black Stranger, Red Nails, Teeth of Gwahlur, Wolves Beyond the Border (six years or more after The Black Stranger), The Phoenix on the Sword.
Mongoose's Conan, at least in the books I write, uses the latter chronology. Marvel's Conan comic used de Camp's chronology; Dark Horse's Conan comic, so far, has been using Rippke's.
Interestingly, Howard rewrote the story himself as a non-Conan story starring Black Vulmea the Pirate when The Black Stranger failed to sell. Howard's rewrite can be found in "Black Vulmea's Vengeance."
De Camp rewrote the part of "Wolves on the Border" that establishes that nearly a six to ten years had passed since "Beyond the Black River" and Conan's assumption of Aquilonia's throne. He wanted a faster transition than Howard did.
De Camp's Chronology: Pool of the Black One, Red Nails, Jewels of Gwahlur, Beyond the Black River, Treasure of Tranicos, Wolves Beyond the Border (within weeks or months of Treasure of Tranicos), Phoenix on the Sword.
Rippke's Chronology (using only Howard sources): Pool of the Black One, Beyond the Black River, The Black Stranger, Red Nails, Teeth of Gwahlur, Wolves Beyond the Border (six years or more after The Black Stranger), The Phoenix on the Sword.
Mongoose's Conan, at least in the books I write, uses the latter chronology. Marvel's Conan comic used de Camp's chronology; Dark Horse's Conan comic, so far, has been using Rippke's.
Interestingly, Howard rewrote the story himself as a non-Conan story starring Black Vulmea the Pirate when The Black Stranger failed to sell. Howard's rewrite can be found in "Black Vulmea's Vengeance."
toothill man
Mongoose
so what are the major differances between the 2 strands 8)
What I read so far from de Camp / Carter (Conan the swordsman, Conan and the spider god) gave me the impression that they were minor writers at best, but to rewrite original stories and press them in a supposedly more fitting pattern is IMO a disgusting mixture of stupidity, arrogance and lacking imagination.
Funny thing I found in GURPS CONAN German, that de Camp / Carter discarded Wagner's Road of Kings as a work not fitting into the saga...
Lucky christianity that the two guys didn't take a theological career: we wouldn't have recognized the bible after they had synchronized and "improved" it.
Funny thing I found in GURPS CONAN German, that de Camp / Carter discarded Wagner's Road of Kings as a work not fitting into the saga...
Lucky christianity that the two guys didn't take a theological career: we wouldn't have recognized the bible after they had synchronized and "improved" it.
toothill man
Mongoose
that meeting made alot of choices that we are still living with :?
VincentDarlage
Mongoose
René said:
I think that was more of hissy-fit on de Camp's part because Wagner was trying to publish unedited Conan stories (he got three booklets published before de Camp was able to get him to stop).
VincentDarlage said:
Ok, I've read Rippkes chronology, and while I don't find it perfect, its the most satisfactory so far. I don't think Howard gave such coherence to the tales as he implies, yet coherence enough as to consider De Campy re-writings as crimes.
Following then Rippkes chronology (I will do for my campaign), five years happen between both tales (not as much as ten, certainly). But I have found an error in The Road of Kings, where, in the Aquilonia section where king Numedides is referred, it is clearly stated that two years pass between those tales. Was it an error of the moment, Vincent?
VincentDarlage
Mongoose
The unedited texts were unavailable to me when I started Road of Kings. I had made changes to the text after I submitted the work originally, but a lot of my textual changes I requested didn't quite happen for that particular book. I would love to have the chance to put out a Revised Road of Kings to fix some of those errors.
VincentDarlage wrote:
This reminds me of Akivasha stats :wink:
The King wrote:
Bingo. Other option would be creating a Vincent Darlage's Revised Road of Kings section in Signs and Portents. Though now I think about it, a separate errata & more freebies in S&P would be better. 8)
This reminds me of Akivasha stats :wink:
The King wrote:
Bingo. Other option would be creating a Vincent Darlage's Revised Road of Kings section in Signs and Portents. Though now I think about it, a separate errata & more freebies in S&P would be better. 8)
Raven Blackwell
Mongoose
Let's not kill the poor man with overwork. Let him have an RL and wait patiently for his gifts, children....8)
Raven Blackwell
Mongoose
I've heard of him. He sounded like a total s*** to me. Too bad he's dead- he'd be interesting to mess with. 8)
