Treasure of Tranicos

[Zul Daire]

Simply put the problem facing peacful anarchy is violent anarchy. There will always be barbarians at the gate.

The lost race of lotus dreaming people in the story "Xuthal of the Dusk" created a society that evolved into a sort of harmless anarchy.

Sure they lived in fear of Thog but that was more a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Trodax]

I have squatted for hours in these courtyards, listening to the arguments of theologians and teachers, and come away in a haze of bewilderment, sure of only one thing, and that, that you're all touched in the head. :lol:

Oooh, sweet one.

 

[René]

As humans are gregarious they can't live without a society and without a system (only hermits do this) or you could only have food from loot or foraging.
If you plant your own garden, why should it be a property when there is no law to proove it and how would you defend your garden from others who find it easier to steale.
You must assign at least people to some tasks but then this is becoming an organization.

Aah, The King is another pupil of Aristotle. Seems Alexander the Great was not his only one.

 

[slaughterj]

You seem to be a bit internally contradictory. E.g., people should work for others instead of themselves, but then supporting anarchy. If you have anarchy, you will ONLY get people working for themselves.

Politically speaking, anarchy is a bit more complicated that this.
Without laws, you can't have rights and can't thus defend them. You can't have responsabilities too. As humans are gregarious they can't live without a society and without a system (only hermits do this) or you could only have food from loot or foraging.
If you plant your own garden, why should it be a property when there is no law to proove it and how would you defend your garden from others who find it easier to steale.
You must assign at least people to some tasks but then this is becoming an organization.

If you are organizing, that doesn't sound much like anarchy to me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anarchy

 

[slaughterj]

Of course, this depends much on the people to be civic and altruist, and therefore is, almost seemengly idealistic. But worth fight for, I think.

At least you recognize that this form of society is hopeless. I'm not a fan of government, but I do recognize that when people are left to their own devices, there will be enough of them to cause trouble and not enable an idealistic "anarchy". See the recent events in New Orleans for example.

 

[Maximo]

Crichton wrote:

Of course, this depends much on the people to be civic and altruist

That's why it won't ever work.
Not that I think a corrupt ruler is any better, though. In fact, just thinking current situation is the best possible is part of the problem.

Bregales wrote:

I have squatted for hours in these courtyards, listening to the arguments of theologians and teachers, and come away in a haze of bewilderment, sure of only one thing, and that, that you're all touched in the head.

:lol:

Now I think about it, Conan was quite of an anarchist. He never cared about the laws and/or religions of the countries he visited, except for practical reasons. He did what he thought was right, aiding those who deserved it according to his worldview and chopping the heads of those who messed him.

 

[The King]

You seem to be a bit internally contradictory. E.g., people should work for others instead of themselves, but then supporting anarchy. If you have anarchy, you will ONLY get people working for themselves.

Politically speaking, anarchy is a bit more complicated that this.
Without laws, you can't have rights and can't thus defend them. You can't have responsabilities too. As humans are gregarious they can't live without a society and without a system (only hermits do this) or you could only have food from loot or foraging.
If you plant your own garden, why should it be a property when there is no law to proove it and how would you defend your garden from others who find it easier to steale.
You must assign at least people to some tasks but then this is becoming an organization.

If you are organizing, that doesn't sound much like anarchy to me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=anarchy

This was my demonstration that anarchy can't exist at large level.
The groups we can consider as anarchist are these people who are still following the 1968 movement (they are actually quite politically active in Europe and forms leftist groups). However these communauty are quite small and don't create anything.
They use old cars but I don't believe they could ever create any. So who would bring technical progress to such a society that it irrevocably condemned to regress?

 

[Bregales]

Ah, anarchy.

I'll have to start watching these again.

 

[The King]

As humans are gregarious they can't live without a society and without a system (only hermits do this) or you could only have food from loot or foraging.
If you plant your own garden, why should it be a property when there is no law to proove it and how would you defend your garden from others who find it easier to steale.
You must assign at least people to some tasks but then this is becoming an organization.

Aah, The King is another pupil of Aristotle. Seems Alexander the Great was not his only one.

Considering you mention Alexander, I would see this as a compliment (because I believe he is one of the greatest conquerors with Gengis Khan*) but what do you mean by "pupil of Aristotle"?

* The Roman empires and republics as well as the Islamic expansion lasted longer but it took them a while to expand while both these guys conquered much within a lifetime and also soundly defeated (and destroyed) mighty empires that were supposed unbeatable.

 

[The King]

Nah-I'm flesh bound and falliable. If I am wrong about this than I can't undo it so thus I leave that sort of thing to higher Beings than I.

Anyway why should we waste time and power in this. I think civilization can spell its own doom without intervention.

 

[Raven Blackwell]

Simply put the problem facing peacful anarchy is violent anarchy.

Yes, but I believe in violent anarchy. Frankly there are too many weak willed and weak bodies humans alive today, pampered by excess of socialism. A harsher, more vital existence is required to keep a healthy dose of natural selection to weed away what doesn't work. For all the horror I've absorbed I am far stronger than I was before. This is why I am cheering the avian bird flu on, as well as delight in the daily casualities the Gulf War brings- slowing grind away at the excess.

The edges crumble, the center cannot hold.....

There will always be barbarians at the gate.

And I'm one that has snuck in between the bars- loosening the gates from within for my fellow reavers. 8)

As for Conan- he was a traitor to his own kind, abandoning them for th eidel pleasures of civilization.

 

[Strom]

This is why I am cheering the avian bird flu on, as well as delight in the daily casualities the Gulf War brings- slowing grind away at the excess.

Typical comment from the protected, yapping away from the sidelines. The problem with grinding away the excess is those who talk a good game are never on the frontline. The pen may be mightier than the sword but that was before the internet where the level of commitment to a cuase requires you sit on your ass and type.

 

[Raven Blackwell]

Typical comment from the protected, yapping away from the sidelines. The problem with grinding away the excess is those who talk a good game are never on the frontline. The pen may be mightier than the sword but that was before the internet where the level of commitment to a cuase requires you sit on your ass and type.

*Ahem* ex-military here. I did my part- even volunteered for perimeter security force. Even stationed in the Middle East a year. My timing was just luckier. We were at what passes for peace down there- which was no fault of mine- and I only got to kill one fence jumper. So put the safety on that mouth soldier and check your target. That is if you are a soldier or sailor and not just a 'yapper' yourself.

Besides I cheer casualties on both sides. Nothing political or personal. Just that there's at least a couple billion too many people around and they have to be gotten rid of somehow....

 

[Strom]

Your defending cheering casualties because you served? If you did serve you would understand the horror of your flip and callouss comment. Children have died from the bird flu - children are victims of war. To cheer their death them puts you in a category I would call nothing less than criminal and sick. For the love of all that is decent I hope you are just trying to elicit a response similar to mine.

 

[Raven Blackwell]

Death happens- It ain't pretty but it's part of life. Children, adults and cute little animals all succumb to the Reaper when their time comes. Then they move on. Worked that way since the beginning. Are you going to quibble about how it happens? Should Death be so kind as to register beforehand and take requests about the manner of departure?And considering we are conversing in a forum about a game in which the simulated act of murder is a core part of the play, don't you think your protest of innocence might sound a bit weak?

Of course had humanity not treated me like a combonation punching bag and rape doll, I might feel a little more sympathy- but they didn't and I don't. As I see it I didn't sever myself from humanity- humanity did a pretty good job of severiing me from the fold.

And oh yes I served. This life and many others I've seen battle and I've taken life. All part of the balance. My life is there if others wish to try and take it of course. It's just that I hang on oh so much tighter than most.

I think REH would agree- the natural state of things is hardly peace. 8)

 

[Strom]

Death happens- It ain't pretty but it's part of life.

Those who know no better rationalize their viewpoint. Cheering death and accepting death are as different as night and day or good and bad . And your rationalization is weak - just because injustice and bad things happen doesn't rationalize the comment you made about cheering on war casualties and bird flu victims. That's sick - and equating that rationale to a RPG is just as whacked. You have presented numerous beneficial additions to this game but it is just a game - linking it to the real world response you gave illustrates your loss with reality. I understand you have been wronged but why wish similar ill-will on others? Nothing good can come from that - it only perpetrates the evil that was done to you. It's the season for helping others and wishing goodwill to all. That said, I hope you get better and wish you peace.

 

[Raven Blackwell]

Just a game? As far as I can tell humanity worships violence- creating entire industries devoted to the creation of entertainment that is essentially watching the simulated death of millions- daily. All from the safety of thoer own homes with no less commitment required that sitting down and pushing buttons. Or rolling dice. All of which with create excitment as they 'waste them with their crossbow" or 'pown' them. Be it simulation or real, the emotional 'high' created by conquering an enemy is one the root drives of all people, no matter how much they deny it. We are programmed to fight and survive at all cost that we might continue our genetic line as opposed to those who fall around us. Such is evolution- and as far as I can tell pacifism is a leanred weakness in that regard.

And this is from someone who used ot be a humanist. Then I learned too much about humanity to keep that particular self-delusion. All cynics evolve from the virtuous. 8)

 

[The King]

I see I ain't the only one entering in flame war.

The avian flu didn't kill that many, though I read that the worldwide flu epidemy in 1919 (which I believe was called Spanish Flu) was a mutation of the avian flu.
Anyway I believe there are other nastier things like AIDS or hunger.

One thing I don't understand though is that so many so-called civilized nations want now to help the poor while they let them die not so many years ago? Why all this sudden charity?
The same countries want thus to help poor countries while they can't even eradicate poverty in their own countries. Their systems was a failure but still want to impose their way of life to others in the name of peace and freedom as if Europe and USA had the keys to peace and paradise.

If that is not called hypocrisy I hardly believe this is redemption.

 

[slaughterj]

As for Conan- he was a traitor to his own kind, abandoning them for th eidel pleasures of civilization.

What? I don't ever recall reading anything to that effect whatsoever. I do recall reading something to the effect of leaving such a dour location though.

 

[MadDog]

I would love to find The Young Ones on DVD. Too funny.

Mad Dog