Nightmares about Minbari said:OK, there's a lot of talk about cheesy fleets appearing in tournements.
But maybe that is the point of a competitive system, to take the rule book and squeeze whatever advantage you can out of it?
If you start to restrict fleets that you consider cheesy, then who decides what is and isn't allowed?
Tournies are not friendly games, not campaigns, they are entirely focused on winning, and players should be free to do whatever they can within the rules to win.
Personally I don't play tourney games, circumstances are such that I don't have the option, but I think that they serve a good purpose as a home for the victory obsessed.
But they ARE beatable with balanced fleets are they not?
It is one thing to powergame, it is another thing to be a good sport and remind your opponent of rules which could potentially sink there chances of winning. If you are going to allow them to mess up, then you are a total dick, but if you are going to powergame, that just means that your idea of fun is winning. If someone wants to use a balanced fleet, and looses because of it, they have no right to whine. By now it should be obvious that many players at tourney's powergame, and that if you don't, your chances of winning decrease.
Very very true.
Not meaning to insult anyone, actually trying to be inclusive. Just trying to make the point that those who see wargames as an interlectual challenge, trying to get the best out of a rule system to achieve victory shouldn't be excluded from ACTA, and that tourney format is perfect for them. Not everyone who plays tourney games is like this, of course, but surely you shouldn't exclude those who wargame for these reasons?
Thats what a real war is about isn't it? Pressing your advantage over your enemy to the most extreme limit. It shoudln't be any different on the tabletop.
I think that the US in gerneral is a bit more competitive like that than the UK players from what Ive seen on the board though.
It's in our genes, part of our culture, and oh yeah, we also got to prove to you brits that we are your equals, not a younger brother who somehow managed to grow up to be bigger then his big bro and also have the build of arnold shwarzenegger compaired to a scrawny 12 year old nerd.
No reason why you can't have fun *And* be competitive. You just need to regularly ban the fleets that prove to be a problem. (And keep those in mind for rules revision when the time comes)
Yeah, a friend of mine(40k player) lives in an area where everyone powergames(and they are very very fashionable as well, as in high fashion, not nerd fashion). If you don't then you ain't cool. And I mean everyone. Like 30 powergamers, all of them, and when they play eachother, they powergame, and they have fun doing it.
Personally, I have to say that a single ship type representing every single ship in a fleet is a bit sad, boring, monotonous, and un-fluffy.