Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
To take the temperature of the board on the use of AI art in TAS products, I have created a neutrally worded poll. Feel free to vote.
The use of AI generated content in TAS products
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Feel free to advocate as you see fit. I’ll do the same.
Grognardia
Cosmic Mongoose
Guys, this is getting tiresome. Agree to disagree.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Just did.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Agree to disagree is for pineapple on pizza, not for narcissists. There's a whole philosophical discussion about it, but I am too lazy to repost it here.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
You might get me to agree it doesn't taste bad, but the instant pineapple touches the pie, it ceases to be "pizza."
More like piz-oh-heck-no.
Same with Chicken Alfredo as the topping. Good, but not pizza.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Me too
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
So stop throwing around nasty words you mean as insults. Especially since said word applies to you as much as to me or anyone else who thinks their view matters enough to press keys on a keyboard.
I would like to see AI art credited as such each time. That's not being done already, but would be a compromise position for both sides, consumers could avoid it if desired.
I'd like to see AI writing barred completely. It really doesn't provide the value its' prompters imagine it to, it's a universal mark of shovelware so far, and TAS doesn't need to be dragged down by shovelware.
I'd like to see AI writing barred completely. It really doesn't provide the value its' prompters imagine it to, it's a universal mark of shovelware so far, and TAS doesn't need to be dragged down by shovelware.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Yes. yes it is.Is tomato a fruit?
Now there is a discussion.
I will delete this post in ten minutes
Geir
Emperor Mongoose
Ketchup?
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
Fruit juice... Thick fruit juice
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Just extra thick tomato soup.
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
LOL now that is gonna be a very small list, but hey if you are willing to provide free art by all means im happy to go that route
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
PLEASE people lets be kind to each other. we all have our points of view and no body is going to change anyones minds. let Matt decide and we go from there.
i would hate is we disallowed ai art and it would the end of my support for TAS but i will abide with whatever Matt chooses. lets just remember at the end of the day its about love of the game not about our choice of art. this does not need to turn into a hate session.
i would hate is we disallowed ai art and it would the end of my support for TAS but i will abide with whatever Matt chooses. lets just remember at the end of the day its about love of the game not about our choice of art. this does not need to turn into a hate session.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
There are free TAS asset downloads on DTRPG
CyborgPrime
Cosmic Mongoose
Go check out the great work posted at the FB group "Traveller RPG AI Tools" or "Dungeons and AI" - it can hardly be called "AI slop" and honestly, as the viewer you have no idea whether an image contains 1% AI or 100% AI. I've had users tell me they couldn't distinguish my work from paintings published in D&D rulebooks, (I did a series on classic D&D spells - you can find it on my author page on FB). When you are postng in a group of people putting out high quality content, you don't see a lot of slop in that competitive area.
I'm a multimedia artist with an art degree - adding AI to my toolkit didn't take away my credentials. I didn't want to be an artist who lost my job to AI so I learned how to use it to bring my vision of my Traveller universe to life. With some success. The stuff you will see in my galleries isn't "AI slop" straight out of the AI's butt - it is taken into multiple programs, edited, manipulated, enhanced, and put together with intention and purpose from the beginning - its not random.
Putting that together took expertise across multiple programs; it wasn't random and it took hours to produce. I haven't seen a lot of videos with lifelike characters wearing Vilani name tags. It's a process that's not as easy as people make it out to be.
I think expansions with AI art are better than no expansion at all.
Can you get a lot of weird looking stuff out of midjourney? Yes - but that's not he only program in the world, and it does take training and skill to get good at this - I can add or remove anything I want from an AI scene - and my AI artwork is largely copyrightable, since it is based on my underlying art in many instances.
Indie producers don't have budgets for professional art, and good AI art (I take commissions) can bring a lot of beauty into the world of Traveller (or D&D, GammaWorld, take your pick). As a commercial artist with over 40 years in the industry, I wouldn't hire an artist to illustrate my work, and I still wouldn't after learning how to use AI as part of my toolkit.
Being able to produce artwork on par with the big publishers is one way of leveling the playing field for indie publishers.
I have some products that could be TAS material if not for the stigma of AI (which only SOME people really care about - the vast majority enjoy it as far as I can tell). I even had somebody following me around the FB groups trolling me and trying to get me kicked out for posting AI art (in groups where it is allowed) - only to find out that he was lifting AI art from my website and using it in his YT videos. LOL he blocked me when I pointed it out. So it seems people who complain about it sometimes secretly like it or can't tell the difference.
People are losing their minds over AI art - I've seen people make themselves the self-appointed AI police, then have full-blown public meltdowns on social media over it. It's weird.
I'm a multimedia artist with an art degree - adding AI to my toolkit didn't take away my credentials. I didn't want to be an artist who lost my job to AI so I learned how to use it to bring my vision of my Traveller universe to life. With some success. The stuff you will see in my galleries isn't "AI slop" straight out of the AI's butt - it is taken into multiple programs, edited, manipulated, enhanced, and put together with intention and purpose from the beginning - its not random.
Putting that together took expertise across multiple programs; it wasn't random and it took hours to produce. I haven't seen a lot of videos with lifelike characters wearing Vilani name tags. It's a process that's not as easy as people make it out to be.
I think expansions with AI art are better than no expansion at all.
Can you get a lot of weird looking stuff out of midjourney? Yes - but that's not he only program in the world, and it does take training and skill to get good at this - I can add or remove anything I want from an AI scene - and my AI artwork is largely copyrightable, since it is based on my underlying art in many instances.
Indie producers don't have budgets for professional art, and good AI art (I take commissions) can bring a lot of beauty into the world of Traveller (or D&D, GammaWorld, take your pick). As a commercial artist with over 40 years in the industry, I wouldn't hire an artist to illustrate my work, and I still wouldn't after learning how to use AI as part of my toolkit.
Being able to produce artwork on par with the big publishers is one way of leveling the playing field for indie publishers.
I have some products that could be TAS material if not for the stigma of AI (which only SOME people really care about - the vast majority enjoy it as far as I can tell). I even had somebody following me around the FB groups trolling me and trying to get me kicked out for posting AI art (in groups where it is allowed) - only to find out that he was lifting AI art from my website and using it in his YT videos. LOL he blocked me when I pointed it out. So it seems people who complain about it sometimes secretly like it or can't tell the difference.
People are losing their minds over AI art - I've seen people make themselves the self-appointed AI police, then have full-blown public meltdowns on social media over it. It's weird.
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Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
LOL its funny you mention Tupac since he was a rapper and rapper use other peoples beats in place of making there own music, but i suppose that gets overlooked.
