The use of AI generated content in TAS products
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Not successfully prosecuted. What a ringing endorsement.
Hermit King
Banded Mongoose
i will say this if one uses AI i do believe they should say that upfront
It is no different than making a parody of a song. The courts have ruled that when it is released to the public it is Fair use. It cannot be copied exactly but can be use in part. It is in every industry and every product.
Just like every profession out there has to face the fact that something could come along that will make them obsolete, Just look at the main stream media, they need to fight to compete with the Internet for viewership, The brick and mortar store fighting with on-line businesses. Same as the manual draftsman at the start of my 1st career when CAD replaced some many of them.
This may be harsh but they will need to find another way. I needed to and everyone in every profession has either done it or will need to do it at some point. Life is hard so suck it up. No law is being broken and morals and ethics are a personal thing.
Just like every profession out there has to face the fact that something could come along that will make them obsolete, Just look at the main stream media, they need to fight to compete with the Internet for viewership, The brick and mortar store fighting with on-line businesses. Same as the manual draftsman at the start of my 1st career when CAD replaced some many of them.
This may be harsh but they will need to find another way. I needed to and everyone in every profession has either done it or will need to do it at some point. Life is hard so suck it up. No law is being broken and morals and ethics are a personal thing.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
As in the case has failed therefore no crime, or the case is still ongoing so innocent until proven.Not successfully prosecuted. What a ringing endorsement.
So unless you can provide a case that has been successfully prosecuted and a guilty verdict proves a crime has been committed it remains perfectly legal to do so. Ethics and morals are not universal in a society.
I was listening to an AI comedy routine in the stylings of Gorge Carlin. I thought it was terrible. And if people use AI to produce terrible products then they will not be able to make it in the industry, and they shouldn't be able to. AI produces inferior products, at the moment, so let the best survive.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
They've been buying the rights of utilizing dead celebrities from their families and estates.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
That is not always a factual statement. We had a situation a few years ago where numerous cases on a very important issue were thrown out on standing, without ever examining evidence or merit, because the judges were afraid or unwilling to act. Three courts finally evaluated the evidence and those three cases, exactly the same as the others, were proved on merit, but the verdict came too late, and the point was made moot, save for future situations.
No details are necessary. This is just an example of a dismissed case not proving the absence of a crime.
Another example is big pharma and opioids. An old friend lost her job because they wanted her to say they weren't addictive when pushing them to doctors. They out-spent and out-lawyered her. Flash forward a decade and they get hit for billions over the pain pill mill industry. She was right, but the courts believed the money. It took a pile of bodies that couldn't be ignored to get justice in that case.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
They've also not bought the rights and used dead celebrities any way
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
That is the point of this discussion. Not buying products that use AI.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Depends on when those rights might lapse.
If you can reutilize Marilyn Monroe for free if you wait long enough, why bother paying?
If you can reutilize Marilyn Monroe for free if you wait long enough, why bother paying?
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
A few years before his passing, the late, great James Earl Jones teamed up with an AI voice startup to immortalize his iconic baritone and the "Star Wars" character he built with it.
As Vanity Fair reported in 2022, Jones worked with a Ukrainian firm called Respeecher to clone his velvet-smooth voice for the Disney+ series "Obi-Wan Kenobi." In doing so, he also signed over the rights to his massively recognizable voice, which he lent to projects ranging from "The Lion King" to "The Hunt for Red October."
Instead of using his then-current voice, Respeecher took footage from former installments of the "Star Wars" franchise to train its AI to sound like Jones did in those original films. Though his voice as an older man wasn't used in the process of training the AI data for the Vader cloning, Jones did advise Disney and Lucasfilm on the character when the show was being created.
Much like the on-screen conflict that characterizes the "Star Wars" universe, the Kyiv-based company had to deal with its own real-life strife during the early days of Russia's invasion of the Ukrainian capital, which coincided with Respeecher finalizing the project.
Right or Wrong
While Jones very much did sign over permission to recreate his audio likeness after his death, one of his fellow "Star Wars" colleagues who appeared onscreen alongside Vader in 1977's "A New Hope" has also been in the news posthumously — and for the opposite reason.
As the Times of London reports, Kevin Francis, a producer who worked with the late actor Peter Cushing, is suing Disney for using the thespian's likeness in the 2016 "Rogue One" prequel to revive his role as the imperial commander Grand Moff Tarkin some 22 years after his death.
As Francis claims, Cushing told him prior to his death in 1994 that nobody was to digitally recreate his likeness without his express permission — a bar that Disney, per the producer's lawsuit, didn't clear.
Disney claimed in its response that it paid Cushing's agent to use his likeness to revive the Tarkin character in "Rogue One" and that Francis was seeking "unjust enrichment" when suing the entertainment monolith for more than $650,000.
Still, a British High Court judge ruled against Disney's attempts to get the suit thrown out.
With that contextual hindsight, Jones' contract with Respeecher seems all the smarter for protecting the rights to his valuable voice asset — especially given that he was only paid $7,000 for his work on "A New Hope" back in the 70s.
futurism.com
As Vanity Fair reported in 2022, Jones worked with a Ukrainian firm called Respeecher to clone his velvet-smooth voice for the Disney+ series "Obi-Wan Kenobi." In doing so, he also signed over the rights to his massively recognizable voice, which he lent to projects ranging from "The Lion King" to "The Hunt for Red October."
Instead of using his then-current voice, Respeecher took footage from former installments of the "Star Wars" franchise to train its AI to sound like Jones did in those original films. Though his voice as an older man wasn't used in the process of training the AI data for the Vader cloning, Jones did advise Disney and Lucasfilm on the character when the show was being created.
Much like the on-screen conflict that characterizes the "Star Wars" universe, the Kyiv-based company had to deal with its own real-life strife during the early days of Russia's invasion of the Ukrainian capital, which coincided with Respeecher finalizing the project.
Right or Wrong
While Jones very much did sign over permission to recreate his audio likeness after his death, one of his fellow "Star Wars" colleagues who appeared onscreen alongside Vader in 1977's "A New Hope" has also been in the news posthumously — and for the opposite reason.
As the Times of London reports, Kevin Francis, a producer who worked with the late actor Peter Cushing, is suing Disney for using the thespian's likeness in the 2016 "Rogue One" prequel to revive his role as the imperial commander Grand Moff Tarkin some 22 years after his death.
As Francis claims, Cushing told him prior to his death in 1994 that nobody was to digitally recreate his likeness without his express permission — a bar that Disney, per the producer's lawsuit, didn't clear.
Disney claimed in its response that it paid Cushing's agent to use his likeness to revive the Tarkin character in "Rogue One" and that Francis was seeking "unjust enrichment" when suing the entertainment monolith for more than $650,000.
Still, a British High Court judge ruled against Disney's attempts to get the suit thrown out.
With that contextual hindsight, Jones' contract with Respeecher seems all the smarter for protecting the rights to his valuable voice asset — especially given that he was only paid $7,000 for his work on "A New Hope" back in the 70s.
Before He Died, James Earl Jones Signed Paperwork to Voice Darth Vader Using AI
A few years before his passing, the late, great James Earl Jones teamed up with an AI voice startup to immortalize his iconic baritone.
futurism.com
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
That is an example of an ethical use of AI. The artist was compensated, informed in advance and a willing participant.
That is far different from general use generative AI.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
If author's rights lapse, when does that of a person's likeness?
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
That is a morally bankrupt position.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
That’s a morally bankrupt position, too.
Says you, and I don't really care about your opinion.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
When art is in the public domain?
